[Flying Dutchman]

We were not talking about McCain bob. Nice try at attempting to change the subject without addressing the question.

The thread is titled "Democrats Demise" not bash the Democrats or compare the Democrats. That kind of spin will work with some, but the majority of people will still want to know where and what Obama and Hillary stand for. I mentioned along time ago on this board about what I felt were Obama's weakness', and his wife and his church were numnber one. Feel good speeches, preaching the gospel of hope, we will make changes..........they are all good but lose steam without a strong backing and logical ways to accomplish them. The major media has fallen in love with Obama and has refused to treat him like a candidate. Instead they treat him like the second coming........and the hell they will pay will be costly. For the major media to attack one of the poster children of the Democratic party (Ferraro) and to completely take her statement out of context is going to hurt Obama because rational people will see it for what it is. The spin doctors who will try and downplay what the pastor preaches, well, it won't wash. He may have helped many black people, he may have made huge contributions to the community.......but in the end it reminds me of a joke I heard.

"Yes my name is Trevor. I have built many, many bridges. Some of the most beautiful bridges. Some of the strongest bridges. I have built bridges my whole life. You think people remember me as "Trevor the bridge builder"? Hell no!.....you get caught having sex with a chicken......."

Obama spent, and is still spending, 20 years as a member of this church. Now........If you knew, and it was known publically, and you had known for years that the pastor of your church was, oh, say a card carrying member of the KKK, do you think you would have a chance of being President? Do you think a lame excuse of "Well, he has his ideas but I do not agree with them" would fly if you STILL went to his church and refused to denounce it?