City/County endorsement of Boot Hill Gaming

Sure glad that no one else need apply -- with better offers, etc. -- Can big Kent Smoll and Goodnight even vote on this ? (Wait, they are not currently on Boot Hill Gaming Board, so hey, what the heck -- they can always go back on, of course -- after the vote). Sure hope no other applicant has lawyers or anything.

AGENDA
Joint City/County Meeting
City Commission Chambers
Friday, September 21, 2007 5:00 p.m.
SPECIAL MEETING


ORDINANCES & RESOLUTIONS

City Approval of Annexation Ordinance No. 3438

NEW BUSINESS

1. City/County endorsement of Boot Hill Gaming/Butler National Casino
Management Application Proposal

2. Adjournment

[lurker]

Boothill Gaming was created to help our struggling 'Boothill' gain visitors.
Boothill Gaming abandons 'Boothill' after the gaming vote is approved.

Doe$ anyone think thi$ i$ odd?

[Bound]

Nope -- it's typical.

Yup, need-less-to say, the city annexed Bogner's land, then -- before the publication of the annexation ordinance -- thus not legal -- voted to approve Butler National Services Gaming -- no Boot Hill Gaming presented -- although named ... weird.

Butler needs 1,000,000 visits to the casino each year to make it -- yes, that was one million -- guess about half will be Latino so more good Spanish food and of course, another steak house. Every adult in 22 counties has to come 10 times or so to make that number.

Duh........ what can you say, but money will be made in BUILDING the casino, but after that -- who cares. 90 percent of the profit (gross) will leave Ford County right away.

Hey, high rollers of SW Kansas (huh ?) there will be five, yes count them 5 suites in the new hotel. Oh, Boy.

[lurker]

Sure'z nice we're saving our little museum, too.

[Flying Dutchman]

Ok, while I do not have exact figures I can say that unless you have ran a casino, or worked the numbers of one, you do not have any idea what it makes. My father worked 38 years in Vegas and is now in OK City running a small casino. This is an Indian casino which has different rules, but the money they make is the same. This casino has 6 tables and about 200 slot machines plus has other casino's within 5 miles of it, no hotel, no destination style, nothing but a hole in the wall operation, and it NETS (after paying taxes and costs) close to 5 mil a year. That is 5 mil that they have to return to the gamblers because of their weird laws, but that is mad money. That is money above everything, the casino makes close to 20 mil a year. The money this casino here will make will truly blow your pessimistic minds.

[hockeychump]

Anoynmous.... just a heads up.

Annexations that are brought about when a property owner requests it don't have to go before public hearing. According to Kansas law, if you want your land annexed and it fits certain criteria, you get it done in one fell swoop.

And as for the approval of a casino on Bogners land, it's not actually up to our commission who gets the contract. The next three or four hurdles have to go through the Kansas Gaming Commission?

How do I know so much? I'm a political junky. Even local.

[Mike B.]

hockychump,

Tell us (me) what you think of the Ks. supreme court sending our AGs' friendly lawsuit to a lower court. (as it should have been done in the first place)

My two cents worth...(glad you asked)...this blunder on Morrisons part cost the gaming industry and investors time and money. (not that I support either one) I think (to me) it made him look incompentent. He said he went first to the supreme court to save time, but in all actuality it cost more time and money.

Your thoughts...?

[Clueless]

Originally Posted by lurker

Boothill Gaming was created to help our struggling 'Boothill' gain visitors.
Boothill Gaming abandons 'Boothill' after the gaming vote is approved.

Doe$ anyone think thi$ i$ odd?

Originally Posted by lurker

Sure'z nice we're saving our little museum, too.

Where did you get the idea that the Museum has been abandoned? It's been pretty clear in every presentation I've heard (including the one to the City and County Commissions Friday) that 1% of gaming revenues are still dedicated to Boot Hill Museum and possibly even more to other local entities. Butler Natl said that in their talk. So, why do you propose Boot Hill Gaming hasn't delivered its goal?

As usual, I don't understand and need to be educated....

[Clueless]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yup, need-less-to say, the city annexed Bogner's land, then -- before the publication of the annexation ordinance -- thus not legal -- voted to approve Butler National Services Gaming -- no Boot Hill Gaming presented -- although named ... weird.

You need to study the annexation ordinances - there's nothing illegal here. Butler Nat'l and Boot Hill Gaming have been in a development agreement for a couple of years - where have you been?

Butler needs 1,000,000 visits to the casino each year to make it -- yes, that was one million -- guess about half will be Latino so more good Spanish food and of course, another steak house. Every adult in 22 counties has to come 10 times or so to make that number.

You must have not been listening - Butler said that consultants on the feasability of a casino in Dodge reported the facility would have over 1 million visits per year, and the market area they said was 150 mile radius. And, what difference does it make to you. Butler and BH Gaming paid for such studies - it's their money on the line - do you only have your mouth invested?

Duh........ what can you say, but money will be made in BUILDING the casino, but after that -- who cares. 90 percent of the profit (gross) will leave Ford County right away.

Let's see - 22% goes to the State (not of profit, but Gross income), then 2% goes to problem gaming for intervention and a good portion will hopefully be returned to Ford County counselors, then 3% goes to the City and County. Then, there are 600+ new jobs (about $15 Million payroll at a minimum) in Dodge City, then the Casino pays $2Million + in property taxes, and creates several hundred thousand in sales taxes, then a percentage goes to local non-profits (Boot Hill and others), then a huge percentage of expenses are spent locally for products and services, and finally Butler and other management companies may share net profits. That sounds more like "90% of the real profits stay in Ford County". Your statement is very naive at best. I guess you're not interested in that kind of growth and local tax collections - why else would you make such a silly appraisal of the benefits of this entertainment complex?

Hey, high rollers of SW Kansas (huh ?) there will be five, yes count them 5 suites in the new hotel. Oh, Boy.

What's the point? Butler said they will build 100 hotel rooms and 5 of those are suites. Doesn't sound very excessive. Again, they're spending the money. Do you want 20 suites instead?