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[Detector]

How about your money. I too know people I would trust with my life but maybe not my money. I've been burned too many times so I keep an eye on who has access to my money.

OK you got a point there.

Muffin, I hadn't really thought about it as a risk factor. I can see now where even if its due to uncontrollable circumstances it would still make you a higher risk.

[K C Muffin]

Originally Posted by Detector

Muffin, I hadn't really thought about it as a risk factor. I can see now where even if its due to uncontrollable circumstances it would still make you a higher risk.

And now that you know, you can use it to your advantage. Try attaching an explanation for the financial problems and how you've dealt with them to any application. The more information, the better. That way, the folks to look at the application don't think you're trying to hide anything.

[TexKan]

Well having been at work all day it appears I missed a very interesting day. May I just say - I don't have a perfect life - I have unexpected things happen, my credit is in the trash can cause I "settled" with the creditors because I couldn't afford to hire an attorney. I certainly would have known what to do if I had 170,000 in debt and 10.00 in assests. I had to live within my means and take my retirement out to get out of the mess I had gotten in. Do I feel sorry for those that are able to "write off" large amounts of debt?......nope sorry I don't. I don't wish them any ill will, I just truely believe they don't belong in a position where they can make influential decisions with millions of tax payors dollars. That just doesn't sound like a good, wise mix to me. He's your mayor - not mine so I don't care if ya want to entrust millions with someone that doesn't have much financial resposibility.

What taxes I still pay in Dodge might have paid his filing fee. Glad to know my tax dollars helped him live so far beyond his means that he wound up with only $10. Can't say I ever mismanaged so bad that I only had $10 to my name - and trust me this fella makes much more than I do. But if that's how DC is runnin the city now........maybe I will apply next year...........in the meantime - my opinion stays the same. He's workin the system and everytime you struggle to "make that payment" just remember your "leader" didn't see fit to be doing the same.

[Detector]

Try attaching an explanation for the financial problems and how you've dealt with them to any application.

Again something I never thought about. Thanks

TexKan, My decision to file was one of the hardest I ever had to make I fought it as long as I could and that just made matters worse in the end. It came down to file or go to jail thanks to the IRS who demanded their money no matter what the circumstances. And as I said I had a family to feed and I sure couldn't do it from jail. Just one of the reasons I hate the IRS with a Passion to this day.

I think the reason I'm still touchy about the subject of bankruptcy and taking the easy way out is because I still don't feel good about it even though it was best for my family.

My point still remains I just don't think its right to drag any persons personal life, unless it affects their ability to do their job which has yet to be proved, out in public. Especially since it seems to have been done for political reasons or personal gain.

[TexKan]

Well Detector - I was "with ya" at the beginning of this thread - but actually changed my mind as I thought it over. This is a good example of why these types of "forums" are so great - people can and do expand their thinking on issues. Ya know - "dialoge"??? I certainly respect your opinion and your passion on the subject. I appreciate your respect for my posts as well. Course I don't feel your "see'in all the lights in the window" but then again you may feel "I don't have much electricity to the lights that you do see". So with that in mind, I say as long as we both "see lights and pay our light bill" - then all is well in DC and TX. If we all thought the same way - the mind would be a very dark place anyhow. I'm sure after this there will be a shake up on the commissioners side which will change the mayor side and truth is probably ALL the players will be doin sumthin different. Ain't politics and America great???

[Lone Gunman]

Too bad we can kick out all the current commissioners and replace them with trained monkeys. Hell we got nothing to lose.

[TexKan]

Well I figure ANY point of view should be respected - even if it's not mine. Course I also look at it this way - the poll is now for booting him and it's at 50%. I actually voted NO on our poll - I felt like his personal life shouldn't be drug thru the public eye. So it could actually be that the 50% NOW feels that he should stay.........that's the problem with polls - LOL.... peole like me screw it up.............

[Detector]

I just don't like seeing the people of Dodge City used as a patsy. Heres how I see things.

Do you think the Hutch News just happened to see the Mayor's name in the Wichita paper and recognized him? Of course not. Some local bozo looking for political gain(you can just about guess who) sent the information to the Hutch paper. Or basically handed them the gun and ammo. The Hutch paper then loaded the gun and left it to us to pull the trigger. I don't like being used especially by politicians.

IF bankruptcy affects his ability to do his job then it was right. IF not, then it was simply a ruthless political action that we all helped to perpetrate, and you can bet someones setting back laughing their butt off. I happen to believe it was the latter.

[lurker]

I see it as the issue of living beyond one's means; and that issue carries into Governments that live beyond the means of the taxpayers who support the Government spenders.

Dodge City, Ford County (USD 443, DCCC) and the State of Kansas are supposed to live within their means. Dodge City and Ford County spend anyway and increase the valuation of the tax base to cover the spending. Kansas increases tax rates on a multitude of taxing options. Washington borrows and borrows and borrows.

The question in the poll is skewed in Terry's favor.

[Bronco-Fan]

It really astounds me how so many people are so quick to judge someone when they don’t begin to know that person’s situation. I initially told myself I was not going to get involved in this, but after hearing so many untruths out there, I cant resist. First of all, I do know the Mayor and I know him well enough that I know what is true and what isn’t in reference to what has been said on these boards. Glad he doesn’t take the time to read this, especially these unscientific polls that has a spread of a whole whopping 4 people, irregardless of the percentage. Couple things….first of all, someone was complaining that he has $170K in assets and $70K in debt (excuse me, former debt). These bankruptcy figures are so misleading, and not just in his case. But that includes house, car and retirement in his case, as I know and as the press reported. Well, his house has hardly any equity in it and so he couldn’t sell it to pay anything off if he wanted to. He is continuing to make those payments and last I knew was even going to reaffirm that debt. He did not buy his car with a credit card but a regular car loan. He is also paying if off for the next few years. His retirement is for govt employees and anyone that knows anything about how that works is you have to be unemployed for 90 days to draw it out. That would make a lot of sense wouldn’t it? Quit your job so you can pay your debts? Geeez Something else nobody seems to know is that in a bankruptcy you declare every debt you have….you have to. Doesn’t mean that you have to not pay those you choose to pay if you can afford to. I know for a fact there are creditors (locally) that he is paying off even when he doesn’t have to. No mention of that. Also, people speculate as to what caused him to get in this bind. I commend him for not getting into specifics and just saying sometimes people get hit with circumstances beyond their control. Pretty decent of him not to name other people that helped get him this way, guarding their privacy and all. Wouldn’t do anyone any good to do that. He certainly didn’t take this lightly and agonized over having to do it. The last thing I noticed was that Lurker seems awfully sure what the Mayor’s late father would do in this type of situation. (yes Lurker, he was a good man) Well, I can tell you what he would tell his son the Mayor (who he was very proud of even though knowing his financial status)……he would tell his son to ignore those a$$holes and keep doing the best job he can for his hometown.