The City Wants to Pass its own Gun Laws

[K C Muffin]

And if they're like the signs posted up here, they're paper or cardboard, just beggin' to be riddled with filthy jokes and torn up.

[Made in the USA]

Originally Posted by Bubba

How much of our tax dollars did USD 443 waste putting up the no handgun signs on all the schools saying they didn't want concealed carry weapons? Every Concealed Carry permit holder went to the class that taught them that among other places, concealed weapons are not allowed at...

"(13) any elementary or secondary school building or structure used
for student instruction or attendance;
(14) any community college, college or university facility;"

So, since by law you can't carry a concealed weapon there, and all concealed weapon permit holders know from the training they are required to take to get the license that they can't take handguns there, USD 443 wasted our money making the signs and then paying the salary of somebody the time it took to post those signs.

Even a moron would know that to be true!!!

[lurker]

It's prolly harder to get a Concealed Carry permit than a badge in Kingman Kansas.

Bad deal

Plea agreement lets officer escape criminal charges

That a law enforcement officer who fired his gun 31 times in a chase that did not necessitate lethal force virtually walks away from the incident, free of criminal charges, is almost inconceivable.

But that is the case for former Kingman police officer James Williams, involved in a high-speed chase in September that spanned two counties. Though initially charged with a single count of criminal discharge of a firearm and two counts of attempted criminal discharge of a firearm, the Kingman County Attorney's Office last week dropped the charges.

Williams' punishment? He agreed to surrender his badge for three years. He can seek a job in law enforcement at the end of that period, and nothing currently prevents him from owning and using firearms.

Unquestionably, the public expects law enforcement to use lethal force when warranted. But the facts in this case show that Williams was more of a public threat than the suspect he sought.

On Sept. 10, Williams tried stopping a vehicle in Kingman driven by Hutchinson resident Clete Wiesz. When the suspect sped off, Williams gave chase.

During the 20-mile pursuit, which ended in Reno County, Williams fired his gun 31 times out of the driver's side window of his police cruiser. That means he twice changed the clip on his gun while driving, at times, 100 mph on a highway.

Williams recklessly and needlessly put himself and the public in danger by continuing the chase instead of relying on other law enforcement methods. He had radioed the vehicle's license plate number to 911 dispatch, and it quickly was determined the vehicle belonged to Wiesz. Williams simply could have allowed Reno County officials to arrest Wiesz later at his Hutchinson residence.

Kingman County's decision to drop criminal charges against Williams signals the public that this particular police officer is above the law. And that worries some area law enforcement officers who last week privately expressed dismay and surprise that Williams won't face criminal charges. Bad apples like him, they said, tarnish the images of officers who wisely and quickly assess a situation and use their best judgment in protecting the public and themselves.

Firing a gun 31 times while speeding down a highway reeks of bad judgment by a police officer.

At the very least, Kingman County prosecutors' plea agreement with Williams should have included a lifetime ban from law enforcement and restricted him from owning and using firearms.

Instead, an officer with bad judgment could be wearing a badge again in three years.

02/12/2007; 02:39:28 AM

The Hutchinson News

[TexKan]

there is something more to that story that isn't being told - It could be on the dept, on the city, on the DA - but there is something about that plea that reeks of "deal makin" - sounds like Williams has something on someone........or there was no clear consise policy in place or something. If you act a moron and it's within policy - then you are basically covered. The part where you can get sued for not doing what someone in your profession would "reasonably" do comes under malpractice. Cops don't have malpractice suits - that's how I see it - I don't have sources to quote but I never seen a cop brought up on malpractice - even tho he is liscensed and board certified. Maybe I just missed the lawsuit but seems if ya wanted to ban him forever that would be the way to go.

[Made in the USA]

Sounds like, "Dad got H-O-S-E-D"!!!!!!!!

[Value Pack]

Teen kills 5 at shopping mall - Crime & Punishment - MSNBC.com

Teen gunman kills 5 in Utah mall rampage (From AP)

18-year-old wounds 4 more before being killed by police; motive unknown

[macdaddy]

People with permits thinking they are police officers. I was watching the video form the second page of this strand and the thing that went through my mind was How did the guy outside the store know this kid he shot was a bad kid? Maybe he was running outa the store for his safety. Scared for his life and then gets shot outside the store by some clint eastwood wana be. Sorry I really don't think that this is a smart issue.

Example. Even the most even tempered people when put behind a steering wheel display examples of road rage. Do we want all good people carying guns so they can jump out of a car waving a gun to stop the bad drivers?

I really don't see much good coming out of this whole mess. How many innocent people will be killed by some well doer because he misreads a situation? I know several people in this town that want a permit. All seemingly level headed professionals until you get the opportunity to see the other side.

I think I will duck now, the bullets are sure to be flying soon.

[Highwayman]

Macdaddy, I’ve watched the CC issue in other states for about 20 years and the bad things you describe just don’t happen. CC holders don’t think of themselves as police or imagine themselves as Clint Eastwood.

The real number of folks that get permits is a small percentage. The last figures that I saw had Florida the highest at 4%. Most states are only 2 or 3%. Permit holders caught in any sort of wrongdoing are at a smaller percent than non-permit holders. The last time I saw numbers on mistakenly shooting someone other than the real bad guy civilians screw up as a percentage less often the police officers.

What has been shown is when CC laws are put into effect violent crime rates go down with women as a percentage getting more benefit than men. Everyone benefits from lower crime rates including non-permit holders.

A CC law is long overdue and proven by the track records in other states as a good thing.

[Signal 7]

Here is my answer to the "no handguns" signs that I have seen around town. I had these signs made up and have one posted on the front door of my business. I've already received favorable comments on this sign. I think more people who support the right to carry should do this also.[ATTACH][/ATTACH]

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by Value Pack

Teen kills 5 at shopping mall - Crime & Punishment - MSNBC.com

Teen gunman kills 5 in Utah mall rampage (From AP)

18-year-old wounds 4 more before being killed by police; motive unknown

Originally Posted by macdaddy

People with permits thinking they are police officers. I was watching the video form the second page of this strand and the thing that went through my mind was How did the guy outside the store know this kid he shot was a bad kid? Maybe he was running outa the store for his safety. Scared for his life and then gets shot outside the store by some clint eastwood wana be. Sorry I really don't think that this is a smart issue.

Example. Even the most even tempered people when put behind a steering wheel display examples of road rage. Do we want all good people carying guns so they can jump out of a car waving a gun to stop the bad drivers?

I really don't see much good coming out of this whole mess. How many innocent people will be killed by some well doer because he misreads a situation? I know several people in this town that want a permit. All seemingly level headed professionals until you get the opportunity to see the other side.

I think I will duck now, the bullets are sure to be flying soon.

The first post quoted has nothing to do with concealed carry. Especially in Kansas or Dodge City.

The second post quoted is nothing more than a misinformed person relaying misinformation on to other people as facts.