The City Wants to Pass its own Gun Laws

[Value Pack]

Businesses that post "No Concealed carry" symbol.

I noticed today that Applebees had removed their "No Concealed carry" symbol. Are there other businesses that are having their ups and downs with this?

I am told that all the Kwik Shops have them up but I have not been able to confirm that for myself. Walmart has not, but Alco has.(?)

Who else is putting these up?

[Bubba]

I didn't know about Applebees taking theirs down. I know the Kwik Shop on 14th & Earp has one up, also Taco Tico has one, with a "Criminal Safe Zone" sticker posted just under it. I also heard that the bowling alley had one posted on their 2nd (inside) door. Also, the check cashing/sign place on 14th by the River Stop has a no gun sign up.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by Value Pack

Businesses that post "No Concealed carry" symbol.

I noticed today that Applebees had removed their "No Concealed carry" symbol. Are there other businesses that are having their ups and downs with this?

I am told that all the Kwik Shops have them up but I have not been able to confirm that for myself. Walmart has not, but Alco has.(?)

Who else is putting these up?

I have one on the door in my office but I am not allowed to take it down.

[lurker]

Originally Posted by Bubba

I didn't know about Applebees taking theirs down. I know the Kwik Shop on 14th & Earp has one up, also Taco Tico has one, with a "Criminal Safe Zone" sticker posted just under it. I also heard that the bowling alley had one posted on their 2nd (inside) door. Also, the check cashing sign place on 14th by the River Stop has a no gun sign up.

I think the check place also sells..... signs. T-hehe

[Bubba]

Some buttwipe left unsigned bad reputation for my post on page 11 of this thread where I used a different size text. Don't be a wimp and not sign, also leave a comment to say why that post is negative.

To once again prove that macdaddy uses misinformation as fact, please note the following.....


This is the standard size text and not in bold print.
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This is size 4 text and not in bold print.
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This is size 5 text and not in bold print.
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Now, as can plainly be seen, in the post I made on page 11 of this thread was not in bold print and it was not in all caps.

Subject should now be closed.

PS. If you can't tell, the print size on the page 11 post was size 4.

[Made in the USA]

You boyz all go to your rooms, and fight like a bunch of lawyers!!!

[Highwayman]

Originally Posted by macdaddy

..I never accused you Highway of posting in all cap bold,...

Macdaddy, I knew which post that you were referring to. The truth is this is a potentially life or death issue so passions do get high sometimes.

As I stated before, I’ve watched these laws in other states for almost twenty years. I’ve seen the same hype in every state when the laws were being discussed in the legislature and it’s always the same no matter what state it comes up in. I’ve heard the visions of shootouts over traffic disputes and blood running in the streets. Wild West shootouts and Dodge City also come up. None of it happens. I refuse to believe that the folks in Kansas are any less responsible or more likely to abuse a CC law than folks elsewhere.

I even agree with some of what you’ve posted.

Originally Posted by macdaddy

....The research is out there. Only a very small % that carry weapons respond to force with force.

That’s true. Most successful firearm defenses occur without firing a shot. Most potential perps change their minds when the gun comes out. Just because force wasn’t used doesn’t mean the intended victim didn’t need an equalizer.

Originally Posted by macdaddy

....Of all police officers that were killed on duty last year I believe the number was 12% were killed with their own duty weapon. (Again I said I believe. I read the statistic yesterday and did not go back to it for this post.) So the problem comes not with protecting yourself with your gun it comes with knowing how to protect yourself with your gun.

I don’t know the number off the top either but it’s there and the exact number isn’t necessary to make your point. Still it’s a small amount compared to the successful times an officer in involved in an altercation. It’s also a small number with civilian gun owners. It isn’t a good reason to deny someone one of the most effective tools of self defense if that person believes they have a need for it. On the subject of training every gun rights group that I’ve ever seen recommends more and ongoing training beyond what is required to get a CC permit. There is never an argument about training but there is sometimes a disagreement on how much the law should require. Heck, when Jesse Ventura was governor of Minnesota and got a CC permit someone was screaming about his lack of training and he's a former Navy Seal. I suspect he had more of the proper training than most cops.

[Tee]

Some buttwipe left unsigned bad reputation for my post on page 11 of this thread where I used a different size text. Don't be a wimp and not sign, also leave a comment to say why that post is negative.

To once again prove that macdaddy uses misinformation as fact, please note the following.....


This is the standard size text and not in bold print.
This is standard size in bold.

This is size 4 text and not in bold print.
This is size 4 print in bold.

This is size 5 text and not in bold print.
This is size 5 print in bold.

Now, as can plainly be seen, in the post I made on page 11 of this thread was not in bold print and it was not in all caps.

Subject should now be closed.

PS. If you can't tell, the print size on the page 11 post was size 4.

macdaddy deeleted his reply before I could quote it

I think we'd all benefit from getting past the symantecs.
Who cares who posts in all caps?!! Let's stop the name calling, too. These are vegan-games and frankly it is getting tiresome when several pages of an issue are devoted to childish "yes you did, no you didn't" squabble.

We should try to stick to the issue. I have voiced my stance and I respect those opinions that do not coincide with mine. At the same time, we all are given the same right to vote with our wallet, and the same right to try and change other's point of view, as long as we do it civally.

[macdaddy]

I have never said a negative word about the cch laws other than its the personal business owners right to post whatever they want to on their store windows, and if they don't want people carying concealed weapons in their establishments that is there right as well. Nothing more nothing less. I believe that is where this conversation went a different dirrection.

I am a strong supporter of civil liberties, and personal protection is your right. the law is out there to let those who wish and pass the requirements to carry their guns. However it is no different than sayin. Not shirt no shoes no service. The businesses choice.

Also to anyone that has taken offense to my posts. please accept my most sincerest appologies. I will try and watch my forum posting etiquette better in the future.

[Value Pack]

I received some reports on the meeting of February 5, 2007 of the Dodge City Commission. Terry Lee was of the opinion “Let’s not fix this unless it is broken.” Jim Lembright and Rick Sowers were just plain anti-gun, period. Jim Sherer just wanted to know how many voters could be made upset with his vote. (Jim: private message: a lot more then 110 voters. ) Kent Smoll was open minded.

I can hear Jim Lembright and/or Rick Sowers already.

“Yes, I hear all the data. Yes, I know what the research is saying, but you know what, this makes me feel safer”

The problem with Dodge City and Ford County is that our elected officals make a lot of decisions on what makes them feel safer, whether it does make them safer or not. The 3 minute decision I like to call this. What they should be doing is basing their decisions on what’s right and what we all know will make our city/county safer based on facts, not feelings.

The facts do not support additional laws or regulations beyond the state’s requirements. All you will hear our elected officals say is “ I support this or I feel this way.” I suppose that is why Judges are Judges (decide on the established facts and law ) and elected commissioners decide on their feelings. The good news is that in this card game a judge trumps a City Commission.

Our City Commission has a "Study session" on this this Monday night. Will they look at facts and research or will this be a feeling session? God help us all.