The City Wants to Pass its own Gun Laws

[Highwayman]

OK, let me throw this out for comment.

SECTION 6, This ordinance shall lake effect and be in force from and after its publication in the official newspaper of said City.

PASSED AND ADOPTED this 5th day of February, 2007.

I’m reading this as it goes into effect Monday the 5th. Is there going to be any other notification other then the Globe? Not everyone reads the Globe in a timely manner if at all. Will these areas be posted with a sign by sometime Monday? Why the heck is the city not giving 30 days notice? Law enforcement has access to the list of CCH holders, are they going to be harassed in hopes of busting someone that didn’t get the word on time?

I’m not happy with this in general and less happy about it being rolled out without advanced notice.

[Detector]

You obviously are mistaken these people for someone who cares what the public thinks. They only answer to a few decision makers who happen to carry a big billfold.

I guess I should watch what I say or we'll be seeing No Metal Detectors signs all over town.

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by Tee

Lets examine who this law will affect...

CCH Licencees are people who have:
a) Been through training on the laws of the state and the Fed concerning firearms
b) Demonstrated a proficiency and accuracy in field range targeting
c) Passed stringent background check requirements
d) Passed written gun componenets testing
e) Been trained on gun safety and handling
f) registered with the local and state gvt as a CCH licensee

There have recently been a few stories of how CCH licensees have foiled burgluries, saved lives, and stopped crimes against themselves or others. The most recent was in Kansas City.

Folks...These are the type of people we want armed! They may save our life some day.


Now...Lets examine who the law will not affect
a) Criminals who are already carrying illegaly
b) Illegal aliens who cannot pass the backgorund check
c) Persons who cannot pass the safety or proficiency test
d) drug dealers, murderers, rapists, thieves and other criminals
e) anyone else who has no respect for the law and carries a weapon illegally

Do you really want our glorious city leaders tipping the scales in favor of the criminals? Because that is what they've done!

Very well said!

Has anybody noticed that Taco Tico has a no gun sticker by their door? For about a week they have also had a sticker underneath the no gun sticker declaring them as a criminal safe zone. I thought it was kinda funny....

[Bubba]

PASSED AND ADOPTED this 5th day of February, 2007.

Here is what I have a problem with. How can it be passed and adopted when today is only the 3rd day of February, 2007.


When and where is the city commission meeting. Maybe we need to band together in force and show up at the meeting and speak our mind.

[dodgehighforeve]

Here's the text from the Capitol Journal. One point I see, is that they want to make it illegal for you to take a gun in a place, without them posting the "no gun" sign in thier window. Then when an out of towner comes in, they see there's no sign, they walk in, and get busted. Shamefull stuff.

Senator seeks gun law consistency
By Anna Staatz
The Capital-Journal
Published Tuesday, January 30, 2007

A law that gives Kansans the right to carry concealed weapons needs protection from local governments that are passing ordinances adding their own restrictions on gun owners, a state senator says.

A bill proposed by Sen. Phil Journey, R-Haysville, would prohibit cities from placing additional regulations on the state's concealed carry law passed in 2006. The bill also would void any regulations already passed by cities regarding concealed carry within their jurisdictions.
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Journey said he proposed the bill because rules regulating the concealed carry of guns should be consistent, regardless of location.

"We want consistent application of the rules statewide," he said. "Some cities are adamantly opposed to an individual's right to self-defense. And they would prosecute in an unfair, inconsistent way compared to other cities."

David Bevens, spokesman for the city of Topeka, said the city council hadn't passed any laws in response to last year's concealed carry legislation. Bevens said the city does outlaw carrying a weapon unless a person has the proper licensing from the state. He also said the city didn't take a stance for or against the legislation.

"It appears to eliminate the city from the gun regulation business," Bevens said. "The city would be prohibited from regulating the carrying of a concealed weapon without a license — even on the same terms as the state. As a result, we would also be prohibited from prosecuting this particular misdemeanor."

Other cities were less restrained in their comments about the legislation.

"The city of Lawrence has regulated the possession of handguns around bars in an attempt to ensure a safer environment for the customers of those establishments," said Scott Miller, staff attorney for Lawrence. "Any legislation that takes away our ability to craft local solutions to local problems is somewhat troubling."

Under the state law regulating concealed carry, gun owners must fulfill a training requirement and complete a permit application at their local sheriff's office. The sheriff's office verifies identity and then sends the application to the attorney general's office.

The law bans carrying concealed weapons, by other than law enforcement officers, in many public places, including law enforcement offices, detention centers, courthouses, city halls, state office buildings, polling places, schools, churches and anywhere property owners place a "no guns allowed" sign.

The proper sign, by statute, is a white background with a black silhouette of a handgun inside a red circle with a slash through it.

Journey said that when cities add extra regulations, the new locations placed off limits to concealed carry often don't bother to put up the required sign because they are named in a city ordinance. Additional regulations also make it more difficult for a permit holder to travel from one city to another with a concealed weapon.

"Permit holders deserve fair notice," Journey said. "The statute gives them notice of the places (they can't go). What are all those addresses in the municipal ordinances? Are they the dog pound? Are they the maintenance yard? These cities just want to set a legal trap to a permit holder because they won't put up a sign in accordance with the statute."

A hearing on the bill will be conducted at 10:30 a.m. Thursday before the Senate Federal and State Affairs Committee.

[lurker]

This is interesting. Our new Kansas Attorney General doesn't want cities to enact ordinances. He suggests they simply buy signs.

The office of state Attorney General Paul Morrison agrees, at least tentatively.

Morrison spokeswoman Ashley Anstaett said the office's staff has determined that cities and counties can't pass ordinances that would outlaw concealed carry within their jurisdictions.

However, they do have the same rights as other property owners to post signs restricting concealed weapons, she said.

The Hutchinson News, Hutchinson, Kans. | Local News

[Bubba]

Maybe we should also all write our state senators to back this bill by the senator from Haysville.

The senator for Dodge City is Tim Huelskamp, his email addy is huelskamp@senate.state.ks.us

I sent the following email to him, I hope Tee doesn't mind that I stole some of his material off of here to help make my point. Feel free to copy and paste my email to him with your signature to show support.

I understand that there is a bill proposed by Sen. Phil Journey, R-Haysville, that would prohibit cities from placing additional regulations on the state's concealed carry law passed in 2006. The bill also would void any regulations already passed by cities regarding concealed carry within their jurisdictions.

Please support this bill as it looks like Dodge City is trying to limit the rights of law abiding citizens.

CCH Licensees are people who have:
a) Been through training on the laws of the state and the Fed concerning firearms
b) Demonstrated a proficiency and accuracy in field range targeting
c) Passed stringent background check requirements
d) Passed written gun components testing
e) Been trained on gun safety and handling
f) registered with the local and state govt as a CCH licensee

They should not be punished by short sighted local politicians. What good is it to have a state law allowing concealed carry when a city can make it virtually impossible to carry anywhere except your own private property.

Sincerely,

[lurker]

I'll bet the DCPD writes 10X more CC violation summons than they write P-WOP summons'z.








Before anyone gets pissy; P-WOP: Picasso - WithOut Permit.

[K C Muffin]

Pissy? Us?

[lurker]

Originally Posted by K C Muffin

Pissy? Us?

OK. We left the pissy one in the dark over at dodgecitydoesn'ttalk.com