Immigration in Dodge City

[Lone Gunman]

Originally Posted by jaun

believe what you want, but I am just one person, you as the admin clone should see that

Come on jaun why would admin lie about you being two people? Are saying she has an axe to grind too, that she is a racist too? Maybe you have problems with paranoia. I for one believe what Tee said. He has had no problems with you why would he lie?

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by jaun

Before I go there are some things I would like to clear up. First I have no clones here second I am not DCV. anyone who has read his posts would recognize that easily. I do know the vegan though and can tell there is no chance he would post here under any name.
Last I do apologize to everyone except bubba, I never meant to get this carried away.
Last Goodbye

That is very nice of you to apologize to all the others, I hold no grudge against you, I even offered to give you lost wages if my rumor hurt you financially. I sincerely wish you a Merry Christmas and hope the New Year brings you everything that your heart desires.

I do not judge people by the color of their skin, their religious beliefs or anything else. I choose to judge a person by their actions and character. You started all the crap, so I dished it back. I am not a young pup so am kinda set in my ways and beliefs. One of which is that I feel a person who entered the US illegally has no right to be here, to work here or do anything here. If that makes me a racist, then I am a racist. I also believe that a person of any nationality and background that comes to the US legally will be welcomed with open arms by ME. Again if that makes me a racist, then I am a racist.

I am going to steal a little something from wordie...Racist is just a word. I know how I feel in my mind and heart so you can call me a racist all you want. It does not hurt or bother me, for I truely know what kind of a person I am.

[Lone Gunman]

Bubba I've heard it said that an empty wagon rattles loudest, and he's been rattling pretty loud.

[lurker]

Welp, the HutchNews is running a series about Mexicans....
It's not really possible to post a link to the 'series' because their website isn't good but here are some links:
http://www.hutchnews.com/news/region...dge122605.html
http://www.hutchnews.com/news/region...mex122605.html
Sunday's story:
http://www.hutchnews.com/news/region...mex122505.html
And one from their local guy:
http://www.hutchnews.com/news/region...iss122305.html

[Lone Gunman]

Good articles Lurker. Here's one from the Wichita Eagle.

Many illegal immigrants had jobs in Mexico

Most illegal immigrants from Mexico had jobs there before they entered the United States, according to a report released Tuesday.

That conclusion undercuts a long-held explanation for illegal immigration: that people can't find work at home. Instead, Mexican immigrants are drawn here by a complex assortment of factors, including higher wages, better working conditions and a chance to reunite with growing networks of families that settled in the United States before them, according to researchers with the Pew Hispanic Center.

"Lack of work does not appear to be the main reason why migrants leave Mexico for the United States," the report says.
It was based on a survey of 4,836 Mexican immigrants in Dallas; Raleigh, N.C.; Los Angeles; New York; Chicago; Atlanta; and Fresno, Calif. The survey was conducted from July 12, 2004, to Jan. 28, 2005. This is the latest in a series of reports based on the questionnaire.

An estimated 6.3 million Mexicans are thought to be living illegally in the United States, part of a larger illegal immigrant population in excess of 11 million. At least 3.5 million undocumented Mexicans hold U.S. jobs, constituting about 20 percent of the country's Hispanic work force.
Illegal Mexican immigrants traditionally have been portrayed as desperate job seekers without options in their own country. But of the Mexican immigrants surveyed who had been in the United States for two years, only 5 percent said they were unemployed before venturing north of the border.

The lure of higher wages appears to be a big incentive. Although illegal Mexican immigrants draw a median income here of only $300 a week -- less than half that of U.S. workers -- those earnings easily surpass the $100 to $120 average weekly salaries they draw at home.
"You can see people roughly doubling their earnings here," said Rakesh Kochhar, the Pew center's associate director for research.
In one notable finding, the researchers said immigration status apparently had little impact on chances for employment in the United States. "Overall, low education levels, weak English-language skills and lack of a U.S. government-issued ID do not seem to pose barriers to finding work in the U.S.," the report says.

Mexican immigrants have little trouble finding jobs. They rely heavily on tips from friends and relatives in the United States. Younger, better-educated immigrants sometimes use the Internet, the survey indicates.
The immigrants, the report says, fulfill a "steady and strong demand" from U.S. employers. At least two-thirds find jobs in four industries that traditionally are dependent on migrant labor: agriculture, construction, manufacturing and hospitality.

[lurker]

There really are plenty of jobs in Mexico. I spent a day helping shock cut corn in the Mountains of west-central Mexico. The local laborer was getting $8 US for his day's work. I worked for free (I was living with the land owner).

I'll never forget how grateful the laborer was when he saw me feeding a cob of corn to his burro.... something he would never do because it wasn't his corn. Speaking of burro's; Every morning I was living there, two borrows would walk past the casa (house) and shortly return with a horse in-tow. Yup, even burro's can find work in Mexico.

General Motors has a huge assembly plant in Central Mexico that is their most modern facility and the floor workers were making $128 US per week. Semi-skilled laborers were making about $70....

[Lone Gunman]

Here's a link to another article that's kinda interesting.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate...s/12097656.htm

[Made in the USA]

A SERIES ABOUT MEXICANS!!??!!
Gee, how come us poor, white folk can't get a series???
Racists, prejudice, Uncle Tom's, feminists, dog lover's, etc etc etc~~~~~~~~~~~~~~whoops, think I got carred away!!

[lurker]

Originally Posted by Lone Gunman

Here's a link to another article that's kinda interesting.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate...s/12097656.htm

Thanks for the link Gunny.

I just now read your link and want to state that things are different here as compared to Wisconsin.

Ole Dodge has already gone through its rush to buy casas through mortgage companies that catered to income based applicants. That was in the days of high hours on the floor. Our sit-ee granted abatements to open a two-shift operation at National that dropped the weekly number of hours per worker to nearly a 40 hour week, leaving the remainder of the work to be done by the 'second shift' so we now have nearly twice as many workers doing the same work as an 'overtime' paid shift. That has created severe reduction of the take-home pay for those workers wanting to obtain equity in their casa; and subsequently, a higher number of defaults, a higher number of 'stacked' living arrangements and a high number of modestly priced homes on the market.

Simply stated: Instead of having a single shift making lots of money (and paying its bills) we now have two shifts garnering sub-standard pay and defaulting on every "cost" of living.

[Lone Gunman]

You are right as rain Lurker. Maybe these other cities and states should use good old Dodge as reference and do things a little different.