Bobs Pawn Shop

[blondemoments]

Originally Posted by K C Muffin

I'm with you, Poots - they do serve a purpose to help people get out of those once- or twice-in-a-lifetime scrapes, but not for continued support, because once you're out of your own belongings, you resort to pawning others' things. If the guy is legit and tries to keep from buying stolen property, then I'm all for it. But once he screws up and deals in stolen property, especially if he suspects or knows it's stolen, then that's when he no longer serves a purpose and becomes a scourge on society.

That's why they have them sign the paperwork, stating that they own that property when they sell it to them. Why? Because then they have paperwork, stating that they bought it in good faith. I believe also that they get a thumb print as well.

Ask the cops in town, if the Pawn Shops cooperate with them. YES they do.

I for one found my stolen jewelry at Lily's Pawn shop over a year ago. Yes the police got a search warrant, and YES Lily's cooperated. The had thier paperwork in order, with the thief's signature, saying he owned that property, as well as his thumbprint. NO I have not gotten my jewelry back, because the county attorney's office has NOT filed charges, AND Lily's has NOT been reimbursed the money. I am still trying to get something done about this, BUT the county attorney's office will not return my calls.

[blondemoments]

Originally Posted by Bubba

That's kinda what I thought...I always thought there was a law that prevented somebody to possess stolen property, it didn't even matter if you knew it was stolen or not. Once identified as stolen you no longer had claim to it in any way, no matter what kind of money you invested in it. Apparantely, that isn't the case in good ole Dodge City.

As far as I was concerned, as soon as the tool was identified as being stolen, and Bob's Pawn didn't surrender the stolen item to the police. Bob's Pawn Shop became just another crook. That is my opinion, an I'm entitled to it!

I'll repeat...all they have to do is get a SEARCH WARRANT. It's NOT that hard to get one.

Just like if they come to your house, they have to have a search warrant. If they come to your house...are you going to let them have ANYTHING they want because they SAY it was stolen?

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by blondemoments

I'll repeat...all they have to do is get a SEARCH WARRANT. It's NOT that hard to get one.

Just like if they come to your house, they have to have a search warrant. If they come to your house...are you going to let them have ANYTHING they want because they SAY it was stolen?

I just thought that was the way the law read...that it was not only illegal to steal property, it was also illegal to have stolen property in your possession.

If the Police came to my house with a search warrant and the proper paperwork to prove that something I had was stolen. Yes, I would give it up, unless I had the proper paperwork to prove that I bought it. Then I feel it would go to a court to decide which paperwork was the proper paperwork and then it would be decided who the proper owner is.

It shouldn't matter that the pawn shop has paperwork that said "Joe Blow" owned it when he received money from the pawn shop. If there is other paperwork that proves beyond a doubt that somebody else did in fact own it, then the paperwork that the pawn shop has, should at that point become null and void. The property should then be returned to the rightful owner, regardless to the fact that the pawn shop has money invested in the item or not. In my opinion anyway, don't know how the actual law would view it. If that is the way it was done maybe the pawn shops would hold a higher standard as to who and what they give money for.

[blondemoments]

Originally Posted by Bubba

I just thought that was the way the law read...that it was not only illegal to steal property, it was also illegal to have stolen property in your possession.

If the Police came to my house with a search warrant and the proper paperwork to prove that something I had was stolen. Yes, I would give it up, unless I had the proper paperwork to prove that I bought it. Then I feel it would go to a court to decide which paperwork was the proper paperwork and then it would be decided who the proper owner is.

It shouldn't matter that the pawn shop has paperwork that said "Joe Blow" owned it when he received money from the pawn shop. If there is other paperwork that proves beyond a doubt that somebody else did in fact own it, then the paperwork that the pawn shop has, should at that point become null and void. The property should then be returned to the rightful owner, regardless to the fact that the pawn shop has money invested in the item or not. In my opinion anyway, don't know how the actual law would view it. If that is the way it was done maybe the pawn shops would hold a higher standard as to who and what they give money for.

If there is other paperwork that proves beyond a doubt that somebody else did in fact own it, then the paperwork that the pawn shop has, should at that point become null and void.
Ok, tell me WHO gets to decide that?... The judge...ok, who decides what to do about a person having stolen property in thier possession...again...the judge. The police have to have to evidence when they go to court, because the person they are prosecuting AND thier lawyer have to right to SEE that evidence. Therefore that is why...they can NOT give it back to the original owner. See what I'm saying??? I'm NOT saying that is how it should be....It's that it IS the way the legal procedure is.

Do you really think that the pawn shops intentionally take stolen property?? They know the police are going to show up....take it....and they have to answer for it. Do you really think they want the police breathing down thier backs all the time?
Obviously they end up with something stolen occasionally, but ask LE how often that happens. I asked, and was told, not often as MOSt of the thiefs have realized that the pawn shops cooperate with LE. Why do you think that None of the Pawn shops in town will take anything that comes out of a vehicle, even if you have the receipt. It's because of the HIGH theft rate of auto related items.

[pootsy]

Exactly! I don't care what Bubba or the others say I think Jeff at Bobs is a pretty fair and honest man and I would do business with him any day of the week

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by blondemoments

...Therefore that is why...they can NOT give it back to the original owner. See what I'm saying??? I'm NOT saying that is how it should be....It's that it IS the way the legal procedure is.

Do you really think that the pawn shops intentionally take stolen property?? They know the police are going to show up....take it....and they have to answer for it. Do you really think they want the police breathing down thier backs all the time?....

I see exactly what you are saying, and I agree. The item should be held for evidence for the upcoming trial. If there is no trial, as in your case, then the property should be returned to the owner.

What I'm saying is that the police didn't take the item in question. Bob's Pawn Shop got to keep it. Bob's Pawn Shop admitted to the rightful owner that he wondered about the guy that sold it to him. He thought he was trouble. But, he still bought the item. In my mind

I say if there is any doubt, then Bob's Pawn Shop shouldn't have bought the item. But, that isn't what happened. He gave pennies on the dollar on an expensive tool knowing that when he sold it he would make a substantial profit on that item. In my mind, that pretty much means he knew the item was stolen when he bought it.

[blondemoments]

Originally Posted by pootsy

Exactly! I don't care what Bubba or the others say I think Jeff at Bobs is a pretty fair and honest man and I would do business with him any day of the week

now now...I wouldn't go as far as to say I didn't care what Bubba or anyone else thinks...remember that everyone is entitled to thier own opinion and we aren't all going to agree all the time.

We're having a discussion here...not a fight...let's please not turn it into one.

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by pootsy

Exactly! I don't care what Bubba or the others say I think Jeff at Bobs is a pretty fair and honest man and I would do business with him any day of the week

That's what is great about America. You have the right to your opinion and can voice that opinion. I also have the right to my opinion and can voice it as well.

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by blondemoments

now now...I wouldn't go as far as to say I didn't care what Bubba or anyone else thinks...remember that everyone is entitled to thier own opinion and we aren't all going to agree all the time.

We're having a discussion here...not a fight...let's please not turn it into one.

I'm just stating my opinion mixed with some facts about an incident that I have personal knowledge of. I'm not trying to start a fight.

[blondemoments]

Originally Posted by Bubba

What I'm saying is that the police didn't take the item in question. Bob's Pawn Shop got to keep it.

If the police didn't seize the item....then they weren't doing thier job. It's as simple as that.

If the original owners didn't jump up and down at the Police station, or the County Attorney's office until it was seized and make them do thier job, then obviously they didn't want it back very bad.

Until they did that....and PROVED it was thiers....then it's all hear say AND slander.