The Truth on Oil and Ethanol.

[K C Muffin]

We're at opposite ends of a discussion again, 88...

I was thinking on the way home today - as the VW is scheduled to be in the shop tomorrow for scheduled maintenance and I have to drive the pickup to work....I betcha one of these days soon, gas will get high enough that the libs will be down on their knees begging the oil companies to drill in Alaska.

I understand and respect the opinion that we need to keep the beautiful land free of outside drilling. The fact is, we can't afford to keep it ALL anymore. The economy will crumble - we won't be able to spend enough in welfare payments to keep people from starving to death. There will be more people robbed and killed because starving people or people that are watching their families (and children) starve are willing to do anything.

The price of everything is affected by fuel prices. So, when did tree-huggers get to decide all by themselves that it was time for the economy to stagger.

This is off-topic, but we had to lay off two (possibly three by tomorrow) more people today. We laid them off in mostly unskilled positions, and that's probably the hardest. I know they'll have a harder time finding another position because there aren't many unskilled positions available. The economy's in the toilet - and gas prices aren't helping.

[88-31-10]

Originally Posted by K C Muffin

We're at opposite ends of a discussion again, 88...

Does this mean you will anonymously neg rep me again?

Originally Posted by K C Muffin

I was thinking on the way home today - as the VW is scheduled to be in the shop tomorrow for scheduled maintenance and I have to drive the pickup to work....I betcha one of these days soon, gas will get high enough that the libs will be down on their knees begging the oil companies to drill in Alaska.

Wow!! What a coincidence!!

Originally Posted by K C Muffin

I understand and respect the opinion that we need to keep the beautiful land free of outside drilling. The fact is, we can't afford to keep it ALL anymore. The economy will crumble - we won't be able to spend enough in welfare payments to keep people from starving to death. There will be more people robbed and killed because starving people or people that are watching their families (and children) starve are willing to do anything.



The price of everything is affected by fuel prices. So, when did tree-huggers get to decide all by themselves that it was time for the economy to stagger.

Well I guess what you are saying is that the environmentalists are responsible for the price of a barrel of oil and thus the oil company's record profits. Maybe they (the tree-huggers) are really surreptitiously working for big oil huh? In cahoots all along. Who woulda thunk it? Sneaky damn tree-huggers.

Originally Posted by K C Muffin

This is off-topic, but we had to lay off two (possibly three by tomorrow) more people today. We laid them off in mostly unskilled positions, and that's probably the hardest. I know they'll have a harder time finding another position because there aren't many unskilled positions available. The economy's in the toilet - and gas prices aren't helping.

Sorry to hear about your unskilled co-workers. I guess there's always the Army for them. I guess they have lots of openings...............

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by 88-31-10

I'm not a LIBERAL as you like to write but I'll take a swing at your simpleton question.

Maybe PEOPLE are opposed to drilling ANWAR since they don't feel the risk to the eco-systems there justifies the reward in oil recovered. More simply stated, most estimates put the amount of recoverable oil at 4.3 to 16 billion barrels. If this amount was used to soley support U.S consumption, it would amount to seven to twenty-four months supply. Now if the reward ratio was greater, I'm sure PEOPLE of all political leanings would be clamoring for the government to start drilling like hell. As it stands, it's really a pimple on the ass of all oil production.

As an aside to your ANWAR obsession, it is interesting to note the area became federally protected in 1960 by order of Fred Andrew Seaton, Secretary of the Interior under U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, one of America's true great Republicans and war-time generals (Army) to boot. So instead of blaming LIBERALS for the current state of ANWAR and it's federally protected status, you might do well to research the issue and find the origins of the said evil protection. Have a nice day.................................

First of all any help with the current oil situation would be good...granted it would be a minute before we were reaping any benefits from ANWAR but the price of oil is speculative anyway...right?

It's not about who protected it in 1960? Our economy and possibly national security wasn't at risk in 1960. The same party that protected it now wants to drill it only to run into road blocks.

One of the reasons they want to drill in Anwar is to actually find out how much oil is there. Since you already know exactly why don't you call someone , let them know and save them a few dollars.

[Highwayman]

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

Where are all the LIBERALS on here? This is YOUR chance to STEP UP and DEFEND why we shouldn't DRILL in ANWAR.

They probably when to an Obama rally, hoping for change.

[88-31-10]

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

First of all any help with the current oil situation would be good...granted it would be a minute before we were reaping any benefits from ANWAR but the price of oil is speculative anyway...right?.

If you think drilling ANWAR will drop the price of a barrel of oil, I've got some land to sell you. With oil on it. Wanna buy it? Drilling ANWAR is a red herring. It's effect on the price of a barrel of oil is nil. Zip. Zero. Nada.

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

It's not about who protected it in 1960? Our economy and possibly national security wasn't at risk in 1960. The same party that protected it now wants to drill it only to run into road blocks.

It is very much about who protected the area if you're going to spend your time whining about not being able to drill it. I also think we had national security risks in 1960. See Cuba, red scare, Sputnik, etc.

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

One of the reasons they want to drill in Anwar is to actually find out how much oil is there. Since you already know exactly why don't you call someone , let them know and save them a few dollars.

"They" want to drill ANWAR for money. Nothing else.
I tried calling them to tell them, but they are only accepting calls from tree-hugger these days. You know, the people responsible for the high oil prices.

[Detector]

You still haven't figured it out yet?

They are trying to ween America of our oil dependency. The only way to do it is by making gas $10 a gallon. You watch.

[88-31-10]

Originally Posted by Detector

You still haven't figured it out yet?

They are trying to ween America of our oil dependency. The only way to do it is by making gas $10 a gallon. You watch.

Who is "they"?

[Highwayman]

Originally Posted by 88-31-10

If you think drilling ANWAR will drop the price of a barrel of oil, I've got some land to sell you. With oil on it. Wanna buy it? Drilling ANWAR is a red herring. It's effect on the price of a barrel of oil is nil. Zip. Zero. Nada.....

Estimated ANWAR production is about 900,000 barrels per day. Last month on the Senate floor New York Democrat Chuck Schumer said this;

So we know that OPEC has no incentive to increase their production right now - since that would decrease their profits. In fact, if Saudi Arabia were to increase its production by 1 million barrels per day that translates to a reduction of 20 percent to 25 percent in the world price of crude oil, and crude oil prices could fall by more than $25 dollar per barrel from its current level of $126 per barrel.

In turn, that would lower the price of gasoline between 13 percent and 17 percent, or by more than 62 cents off the expected summer regular-grade price - offering much needed relief to struggling families.....

IN FLOOR SPEECH, SCHUMER PUSHES TO BLOCK $1.4B IN ARMS DEAL UNTIL SAUDIS INCREASE OIL SUPPLY BY 1 MILLION BARRELS PER DAY

Do you think 50 cents or more a gallon is nil. Zip. Zero. Nada? Or is Schumer just another full of crap Democrat? I think the one full of crap is you 88.

[Detector]

And if I remember right Highwayman thats for the next 10 years.

In any case we still need to look at alternative fuels. Wind, Solar etc. Wasn't it some 30 years ago this exact same thing happened? We started new drilling to relive the oil shortage but 30 years later, here we are.

ANWAR is a start, but we've got to get rid of our addiction to oil at some point.

[88-31-10]

Originally Posted by Highwayman

Estimated ANWAR production is about 900,000 barrels per day. Last month on the Senate floor New York Democrat Chuck Schumer said this;



IN FLOOR SPEECH, SCHUMER PUSHES TO BLOCK $1.4B IN ARMS DEAL UNTIL SAUDIS INCREASE OIL SUPPLY BY 1 MILLION BARRELS PER DAY

Do you think 50 cents or more a gallon is nil. Zip. Zero. Nada? Or is Schumer just another full of crap Democrat? I think the one full of crap is you 88.

Oh, so now you're quoting Democrats. How convenient. That exposes you for what you are: full of shit yourself. They (the Dems) are full of crap until something outta their pieholes backs up something you "believe" in. Then it's the gospel truth, worthy of re-posting on your favorite message board. As AoO says, "pffffft".

If you or Chuck Schumer thinks drilling ANWAR will drop gas fifty cents, then power to you. I don't think it will. New production is coming on daily and the price continues to rise. It's called greed. Sit back and watch it at work. After oil and gas, it will be something else. If I recall correctly the price of gas isn't really affecting you that much anyway, what with inflation adjusted in and higher mileage vehicles. Keep drinking the kool-aid Mamie..................