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    Stop Univesal Health!!!

    The death of the World Icon MJ (more juice) should be all the reason needed to stop this talk of universal health care. DRUGS KILL. Stop the insanity now!

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    Bring on universal health care, free at point of delivery, as soon as possible! 48 million Americans need it! Let it be paid for through the tax system instead of $Billions being spent on financial bail-outs for the crooked institutions, inefficient auto companies, and even more $Billions being "given" to the Military/industrial complex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Binky Bainbridge View Post
    Bring on universal health care, free at point of delivery, as soon as possible! 48 million Americans need it!
    And what about the 250 million Americans that DON'T need it? We suffer the results... poor care, long waits and rationing. Doesn't sound like a fair trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC Mike View Post
    And what about the 250 million Americans that DON'T need it? We suffer the results... poor care, long waits and rationing. Doesn't sound like a fair trade.
    Just curious. What 250 million Americans don't need health care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Binky Bainbridge View Post
    Bring on universal health care, free at point of delivery, as soon as possible! 48 million Americans need it! Let it be paid for through the tax system instead of $Billions being spent on financial bail-outs for the crooked institutions, inefficient auto companies, and even more $Billions being "given" to the Military/industrial complex.
    But if Universal Healthcare in implemented, the governement won't decrease other expneditures to pay for it. They will increase our taxes to pay for it. That means the working class, the people who mostly already have healthcare insurance, will also pay for the "free" healthcare for those who don't. Admittedly, some of these people are in a hard place and could use a little help, but mostly it will go to serve those who are already milking the system at every turn already. I am not convinced Universal Healthcare is everything it is being billed to be.

    And Grainy, I have yet to figure out how MJ's death has anything to do with Universal Healthcare, LOL. (Course I'm not always the quickest turtle off the line either :tired:)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goober View Post
    But if Universal Healthcare in implemented, the governement won't decrease other expneditures to pay for it. They will increase our taxes to pay for it.
    My response is this. If your goverment, without blinking an eye, can "find" $Billions of taxpayers money to bail-out crooked financial institutions, bankrupt auto companies, and spend countless $Billions on foreign wars of dubious merit, then surely they should be able to "care" for their citizens by providing universal healthcare for all. Why should healthcare provision be left to profit-driven health insurance companies whose main purpose in life is to make a profit.
    Why not let the auto companies go to the wall, oh, I forgot, they're part of the big Military/Industrial complex whose insatiable appetite consumes and wastes $Billions each year - and you never get to hear about it, let alone have a say in it - but that's one of the joys of living in a "democracy"!
    Last edited by Binky Bainbridge; 07-08-2009 at 12:11 PM.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Goober View Post
    But if Universal Health care in implemented, the government won't decrease other expenditures to pay for it. They will increase our taxes to pay for it. That means the working class, the people who mostly already have health care insurance, will also pay for the "free" health care for those who don't. Admittedly, some of these people are in a hard place and could use a little help, but mostly it will go to serve those who are already milking the system at every turn already. I am not convinced Universal Health care is everything it is being billed to be.

    And Grainy, I have yet to figure out how MJ's death has anything to do with Universal Health care, LOL. (Course I'm not always the quickest turtle off the line either :tired:)
    So the McDonald's worker isn't as important as the Boeing worker? The problem is people that have health care - can't afford to use it! You are reading too much of the GOP (keep the insurance companies fat and don't give them any competition cause they will close) garbage.

    Enlighten yourself and find out who the uninsured are. The ones you think are uninsured are already covered by Medicaid and Medicare. This isn't a poor VS middle class fight - the GOP would love for you think that, cause as long as they keep you in the dark you won't see the need. Class warfare, the "them" vs "us" mentality. This is a humanity argument and the GOP wants to make it about you "supporting" others when what they really want you to continue to do is support CEO's of insurance companies so there are dividends paid and the profit increases. Look at how much we spend compared to what we get? We can do much better than that.

    This had nothing to do with MJ - it had everything to do with the OP sensitivity or the overall lack of it.
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    mj's death blacked out any real news coverage. the 250 million that are covered by health care will have to pay more to get the same level of service they get now.
    " you have the universal plan, we can see you next august. oh you have blue cross supplemental we can fit you in next monday."
    "the rich will always be more deserving than the rest of us."
    "the poor will always be with you."

  9. That's right be a mouthpiece for the insurance companies. What a puppet.
    In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
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    As a non-US citizen may I ask a question: Do parents have to pay to send their kids to primary & secondary schools in the US?
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