Drug Bust

[Flying Dutchman]

You have no idea how much I truly despise drug dealers Muffin. I wish once was all it took to nail them.

[MUD]

Originally Posted by Flying Dutchman

The reason for repeated buys is to give the state enough evidence for a conviction. You charge a person with, say, 10 seperate counts it doesn't give them much wiggle room. It also gives you some leverage in moving up the chain for bigger fish.

Your right kinda. In KS the laws for drug offenders is based on a severity level system. 1 being the most severe. Once they bring a case to a drug offender regaurdless of how many counts the controlling sentance is the one that is the most severe the rest run concurant. So if this guy gets found guilty on all counts, (which he wont) he'll do the meth charge. The cocaine charge will end simultaniously and the weed charge will not be a factor in the amount of time when sentanced. Now heres where the seperate counts come in. If convicted of multiple felony counts this moves an offender up on the sentencing grid, example ABCDEFGH H being someone who has no felony record. G is 1 nonperson felony F is 2 nonperson felonys and E is 3 nonperson. If this guy already has a PERSONAL felony such as ag. bat. He starts out in the D row. So by piling multiple counts on an offender you could quickly move him or her up to a box that reads in months, 68/76/82 The judge has the choice of which 3

[Highwayman]

I’m not disagreeing with anyone here, but I thought it had more to do with making a bigger buy to get a more serious charge. I was on a jury back in the seventies and the way it was explained to us was you can’t just go out and buy a large amount the first time. They buy a small amount the first few days and work up over time to buy a large enough amount to get the more serious charge and put the dealer away for a longer time. Dealers get suspicious when a first time buyer wants a big buy. But everything said here applies also.

[MUD]

Your right also. But here in dodge the police usually get the smaller fish this way; Pedro gets pulled over for illegal tags. During the stop drugs are found. When pedro gets to jail an investigator says, "Gee Pedro, looks like your in a heap of trouble. No more good job, no more nice new truck, no more green card and no more freedom, unless you tell us where you got it." So pedro after much thought says, OK, Jose. I got it from Jose. So they have Pedro call Jose from an outside line to let Jose know hes coming by to score again. Pedro makes the buy, Jose gets popped. Now its a little different when it comes to Pedro giving up the bigger fish. Instead of Jose Pedro agrees to give up Juan. The cops have wanted Juan for quite some time so this will go down a little differently. Pedro goes over to Juans to score but he brings Lupe-AKA officer Gonzales with him. This happens several times until Lupe can go by hiself. Well, you know what happens after that. 9 times out of 10 Its a confidential informant or CI/Pedro who actually infiltrates the dope man...At least here in DC anyway. But in order to stack the time up against a suspect each count must have a different case # Then the sentances can run consecutively. Keep in mind KS. has 2 sentancing grids. One is Drug grid the other is everything else.

[TexKan]

Gee Mud - that is too funny.......I love that scenerio........Kiddo if I had any power I'd give it to ya........ROTFLMAO (even tho I know it's true - it's just too good)

[spike52]

Honest to God. What's up with the Glob?

You're right there.
Glob sux, period.

I have two problems with this story, aside from it not coming from the Globe.

Do tell..

The first is that this 18-year-old girl is living with a 44-year-old man. Holy cow! What's up with that?

She's 18, so?
Are you assuming they're a couple?
If so, so what?

The other is that it took a two-week undercover operation. If a copy buys once from a scum-bag, it ought to be enough. Just one time....not repeated times over 2 weeks.

KC, I'm correct in assuming you never worked in Naroctics?
Several buys make a better case.
Why you ask..
An intentional repeated pattern of drug sales provide the man w/ more ammo to go after the "bigger fish" a.k.a. supplier.
Which is always the intent of these types of operations..

During that two weeks, he had the opportunity to sell to a number of citizens, some of them probably under 18.

Again, an assumption.
Do the cops a favor and let them do their job..

[K C Muffin]

Originally Posted by spike52

Again, an assumption.
Do the cops a favor and let them do their job..

Hi, Spikey - the last time I read anything from you was a long time ago. Welcome to the new board! You know, that's the beauty of nameless, faceless boards - a poster can wonder aloud about behavior. It's your choice to read it - no need to pick it apart - wasted time.

As far as letting the cops do their job - I wouldn't want to do their job. They train too long and get paid squat for the thankless job they do. My point was bashing the system that it takes so many buys before they can bring a dealer down. Should only take once. I do understand why the multiple buys, but again - it shouldn't be that way. We (the people that wrote the laws and ask you to uphold them) allow so much latitude in drugs. How many murders does it take to get a murderer off the streets after he's identified? These guys are doing the same thing. In a perfect world, it wouldn't be like that - one bust would do it. In this world, it takes too much time.

Hope to see you around here from time to time.

[TexKan]

Don't you worry KC - I understood exactly what they were sayin.......and if they were related probably the glob would have said he was her "uncle" they love to get that "family" stuff in. Truth is this is NOT a board of experts and YOUR opinion and thoughts are just as important as Spike's. BTW - ya know what I don't think you got in the way of any cop or narcotics doin their job - and if ya NEVER questioned anything you'de be "dancin necked...at McD's" I say question or comment what ya feel - ya aint hurtin nobody here....LOL I like how ya left the welcome mat out for Spike - nice real nice........LMAO

[K C Muffin]

I've always been a "glass half full" type of personality. Spike just happens to be a "glass half empty". Once you understand that, he's just a big teddy bear! Thanks for standin' up for me!

[Highwayman]

I think sometimes Spike’s glass is running on empty.