Is there any JUSTICE?

[TexKan]

Well truth is if you are handicapped - that doesn't excuse you from the rules. If the card wasn't properly displayed and they habitually collect tickets because the tag isn't displayed ( which is not the case I guess with this guy) then you deserve a ticket and whatever else comes with it.

We had plenty of disabled in jail - amputees (we took the prosthesis if they didn't go to medical cause they could use them as weapons) and folks in wheelchairs (they were always in medical)

Just cause you are injured and can't walk don't mean you can't "do the time"

Droppin charges just cuase you are handicapped doesn't hold water round here.

First offense - yeah but wheelchairs don't mess up your brain. The other thing is IF he can't drive then maybe his driver should have dropped him off at the door and parked in a regular spot - those spaces altho by the regs can be used for folks driving a handicapped person really should be saved for handicapped doin the drivin. The rest of us can walk up to walmart!

[Bubba]

Another response from Terry Lee...

"here is the response I received from the city manager today:
Gentlemen:
I have heard from a couple of you regarding the issue with the handicapped gentlement being issued a summons for failure to display his handicap sticker. Permit me to share with you some info. with regard to how we handle this. The actual statutory violation is failure to display, meaning that despite the fact that someone actually has a sticker, it must be properly displayed. The fine that is in place for this violation is $100, and court costs are $50. Our actual practice in City Court in cases when the defendent has a sticker, but it is not displayed, is to forego the fine and only charge court costs. While I do not have this information directly from Judge Doll, it has been suggested that the Judge may have actually reduced the court costs to $20, which is a large reduction. As this matter stands now, the defendent has pleaded not guilty and the matter falls into the hands of the City prosecutor.
Jeff
******** I sent a reply indicating it was my feeling that the prosecutor or judge should simply dismiss this in the interests of fairness. Let me know if I can be of further help."

[TexKan]

Man this cat better learn to tie that tag next time. Best bet for him is to get a handicapp tag ON his car. Then he won't need to worry bout the kansas wind anymore.

[BroncoFan]

I hear you Tex, but still feel there should be compassion. You cannot just go get a handicap sticker for license plate. Takes time. This person just out of hospital in wichita last month, and just received this tag. Again, I don't implicate this person did not break the law. Just looking for compassion. Yes, it was very hot that day and the wind was blowing 40-45 mph. Windows down on car. Simple mistake. First offence. Newly handicapped person. Give him a break.

Getting good responses from counselmen. Thanks, Bubba.

[TexKan]

Oh don't get me wrong!! I agree with you but when it's all said and done a lesson needs to be taken home with him! At this rate my $20 would have paid his fine and this wouldn't be the big deal it is. I have gone the distance just for the principle too. It is exhausting - but sometimes ya just gotta go the distance cause the priciple is worth it. Hopefully everyone learns from this event.

[4U2NV]

It is obvious that texkan doesnt have the compassion it takes to see what a handicap person must go through in order too survive...one -day -at -a -time ! We are talking about a young man here, who worked hard all his young life to buy his home (2-homes), support his kids, and wife, and suddenly his legs are gone. Well not gone but not functioning like they used too. We are not talking about *handicapped persons in jail*

"We had plenty of disabled in jail - amputees (we took the prosthesis if they didn't go to medical cause they could use them as weapons) and folks in wheelchairs (they were always in medical)

Just cause you are injured and can't walk don't mean you can't "do the time"

Droppin charges just cuase you are handicapped doesn't hold water round here.

First offense - yeah but wheelchairs don't mess up your brain. The other thing is IF he can't drive then maybe his driver should have dropped him off at the door and parked in a regular spot - those spaces altho by the regs can be used for folks driving a handicapped person really should be saved for handicapped doin the drivin. The rest of us can walk up to walmart!

This above has NOTHING what-so-ever to do with this mans parking citation. It IS unfair and unfortunately for those of us who by Gods grace have all our limbs working, dont see the unfairness up until the day it affects you or your loved one that you will undoubtly understand it. If this Judge and Officer persue this case to trial..then maybe they need to just stop ARRESTING the drug dealers selling the meth to our kids, and focus only on our handicapped maybe thats where the money is dont ya think ? Maybe we should go as far as putting God on trial for causing the wind to blow the tag onto the seat that day instead !?!

[lurker]

I'm just old enough to have witnessed the evolution of law enforcement.

Used-to-was, laws were to promote public safety and they were policed by publicly employed Peace Officers. Now daze the whole business has become a revenue generating Industry operated by non-civilians/citizens (they have a word for US but I don't remember exactly what word is used) and they support a Them against US mentality perputated (alot) by their union.

That is evidenced by the language (meaning words) that they use.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by NoLongerInRadioGuy

The beat officer should be patrolling Walmart once in a while. But, since we are short handed, it probably isnt beig done as often as it should.

In Dodge City the LEAST of the police officers concerns is someone (hispanic or not) parking in the expectant mothers parking. While it IS an injustice and rude I would rather have them on the streets policing gangs, drugs, etc than spending their time writing citations for someone parking in an expectant mother parking space. The law enforcement resources in Dodge are limited and probably stretched pretty thin. I think most of what they do is reactive and not proactive because they don't have the man power to do that....just my opinion.

[TexKan]

OK....... I don't think the comment deserves a response but since you are making an assumption based on a post that you didn't read very well - then it mandates that I enlighten you

I happen to be quite compassionate - if you knew me you would know that. I will base your misconception on the fact that you don't know me.

What I stated was simply - the first time I can see dismissing the case - any time after that ? - no. Handicapp doesn not exempt you from the rules.

My mother lived till she was 96, I was her primary care giver, and have been a nurse for 30 years...... think I don't understand handicapp parking? I dropped my mom off - got her wheelchair out, put her in it, and then I parked my car in a regular spot - and I had a placard to display. I didn't use it cause I can walk. Handicapp card should be used for those that need it - I didn't. Just cause I could have used it didn't make it kosher to me. There were times I did use it but not often. There are many handicapp that actually do drive - they don'thave folks drivin them - they need the space more than you or me. Many handicapp people don't have wheelchairs - they may have walking issues due to arthritis or lung issues. They look fine but they still need to park close. If you are a driver (non handicapp) you should park you car somewhere else if you can. The law says you can use it when with the handicapp person - but "compassion" says if you don't do transfers at the parking spot - then you don't need to use it. Altho it is legal to use the tag if you are driving a handicapp person - I just chose not to.

The handicapp in jail was just an observation. The point is you are not excused in this life just because you are handicapp. My mother always told me there is always someone worse off than you. I'm sure there are folks worse off than this guy as well. That doesn't make me non compassionate. It makes me realistic. I believe we are all responsible for our own actions wether we are in a chair or a wheelchair -

I don't disagree with cutting the guy some slack and think it should have been done from the get go but you don't get a free pass with a handicapp - that's just how life is. If you had read this thread from the beginning you would have understood my post. Course if ya knew me you would understand my post. It's OK......... in time you will know your perception was as brash as your comment........... in the meantime remember the posts are usually in generalities......... you seemed to have missed that.


BTW - 4U2NV - Welcome to DB - hope you stick around and post often -

[Made in the USA]

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

In Dodge City the LEAST of the police officers concerns is someone (hispanic or not) parking in the expectant mothers parking. While it IS an injustice and rude I would rather have them on the streets policing gangs, drugs, etc than spending their time writing citations for someone parking in an expectant mother parking space. The law enforcement resources in Dodge are limited and probably stretched pretty thin. I think most of what they do is reactive and not proactive because they don't have the man power to do that....just my opinion.

Well Army, I would rather have you in Iraq, where we need you, than running around DC doing nothing! WE are stretched way to thin in that country, so why are you wasting your time here? We don't need recruiters bullshirting kids into what a "great life" the military has become, for people that can't get a job anywhere else! What should be done is a mandatory military term for every man in the US to serve his country or he can't draw on the "freebies"!! That includes ILLEGALS, President's Sons, Senators kids, etc, etc!!!! On top of that, there are NO exclusions. No 4F's, No conscientious objectors, No buying your way out of the system! Everyone will serve in some form or capacity!! It would do wonders for the little "brats" that run the streets selling drugs, running gangs, stealing, etc. Gee, maybe they would grow up and actually be a BENEFICIAL CITIZEN someday!!----just my opinion!