Can this happen in Dodge?

[TexKan]

You might as well move to Denmark............ US taxpayors aren't willing to pay for rehab for folks with no self control - disease or not. I understand what you are sayin but the disease is more lack of "responsiblitiy". I agree with govt funded rehab that folks put themselves into........... means more to me than folks gettin sent to them cause they were stupid, addicted and got caught. The responsibillity should start before the addiction.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by TexKan

You might as well move to Denmark............ US taxpayors aren't willing to pay for rehab for folks with no self control - disease or not. I understand what you are sayin but the disease is more lack of "responsiblitiy". I agree with govt funded rehab that folks put themselves into........... means more to me than folks gettin sent to them cause they were stupid, addicted and got caught. The responsibillity should start before the addiction.

Good point Tex...We already pay for enough worthless people that are "takers" in our society to sit on their azz's and contribute little to society. We do not need to fund people going into rehab because they had no self control and broke the law. I'm tired of working day in and day out to support someone else. I have NO tolerance for Meth makers/sellers....Pootsy you can rehab them and send them back out to society if you want (at your expense please) but I wonder how many people these people making and selling affected. How many kids live's did they F* up? They should pay the penalty for that. You do the crime you do the time....A few months rehab does not make these people productive citizens. Look at the stats..MOST would end up back in prison....REHAB MONEY WASTED.

[TexKan]

I was gonna say that the current govt funded rehab in Tx is TDC - works well for some - not so well for others. I don't want a meth lab in my nieghborhood and if they get caught (which I would gladly assist with) they don't need to spend my dime on rehab - hell they made enough money to fund thier own rehab - I'm tired of the "wha wha" that criminals and drug dealers do............. they need to learn how to "man up"........ they are so "bad" on the street........... they need to maintain that after the clink of the cell. Most meth makers aren't main users tho (otherwise they wouldn't make any money)......... still if ya are gonna break the law - you are gonna be on the wrong side of my fence............ end of story - When drugs become legal you can come back to my neighborhood - till then the thing you need to be careful of is this bitch trailer trash gun wavin crazy white woman watchin your house! - PS I raised my kids to be just like me - they run faster and carry badges ............. ya need to be really scared of them!!!!............ LMAO

[pootsy]

Originally Posted by TexKan

You might as well move to Denmark............ US taxpayors aren't willing to pay for rehab for folks with no self control - disease or not. I understand what you are sayin but the disease is more lack of "responsiblitiy". I agree with govt funded rehab that folks put themselves into........... means more to me than folks gettin sent to them cause they were stupid, addicted and got caught. The responsibillity should start before the addiction.

You obviously don't understand addiction. You need to educate yourself on this.

[pootsy]

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

Good point Tex...We already pay for enough worthless people that are "takers" in our society to sit on their azz's and contribute little to society. We do not need to fund people going into rehab because they had no self control and broke the law. I'm tired of working day in and day out to support someone else. I have NO tolerance for Meth makers/sellers....Pootsy you can rehab them and send them back out to society if you want (at your expense please) but I wonder how many people these people making and selling affected. How many kids live's did they F* up? They should pay the penalty for that. You do the crime you do the time....A few months rehab does not make these people productive citizens. Look at the stats..MOST would end up back in prison....REHAB MONEY WASTED.

You obviously don't understand, as well, Army of One. Aren't you in the military? Are you aware that meth was given to soldiers in earlier wars by the American Government? Are these people "takers" like you say above? Until you know, than you have no place to judge anybody. I agree if they keep messing up, than ya, they be on the offenders list, but your saying not to send them to rehab and instead prison? Don't we pay for that as well? Wouldn't our money be better spent sending them to rehab? All the answers are YES. Isn't it better to be able to turn around some people and not none of them?? Recovery is different from abstinence and
Recovery is more than just quitting drugs. it's changing your entire way of life, your thinking, your behaviors, ect...In prison they can get worse!!! No, rehab doesn't always work, but it works better than prison obviously. I would rather spend my money on people getting educated to be more productive in life instead of getting educated on being a better criminal.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by pootsy

You obviously don't understand, as well, Army of One. Aren't you in the military? Are you aware that meth was given to soldiers in earlier wars by the American Government? Are these people "takers" like you say above? Until you know, than you have no place to judge anybody. I agree if they keep messing up, than ya, they be on the offenders list, but your saying not to send them to rehab and instead prison? Don't we pay for that as well? Wouldn't our money be better spent sending them to rehab? All the answers are YES. Isn't it better to be able to turn around some people and not none of them?? Recovery is different from abstinence and
Recovery is more than just quitting drugs. it's changing your entire way of life, your thinking, your behaviors, ect...In prison they can get worse!!! No, rehab doesn't always work, but it works better than prison obviously. I would rather spend my money on people getting educated to be more productive in life instead of getting educated on being a better criminal.

1st of all...WHY was meth given to soldiers in earlier wars by the gov't? No matter...we are talking about the CRIMINALS that make it, take it and sell it. NOT people that are given meth via some gov't reason. Your oranges are getting mixed with your apples. If some meth head gets busted for selling meth to kids and others I say YES...send his sorry ass to prison. I don't want to hear that he is a victim of addiction. He is a victim of addiction because he used the crap. Makes sense doesn't it. When someone makes poor choices they pay for their crimes. When an alcoholic kills someone while driving drunk we don't send them to AA and put them back into society. We make them go to jail for their crime. NOW...if someone voluntarily goes to seek help for addiction that is different..but when the person is caught peddling the drugs that is destroying us...it's about jail. The information about meth is available...some people just ignore the law and make/use it anyway. We can pat these people on the back, coddle them and try to help them or we can make them pay for their crimes. I, along with most people perfer to punish them for their crimes. You can counsel them, feel sorry for them or whatever. I agree, addiction is a sad thing...what is even more sad is the people that suffer from effects of the person being addicted. Ever see a crack baby? Yeah...counseling...the way to go...lol.

[Army_of_One]

Sorry about the long winded rant. To simplify things....I believe in holding people accountable for their actions.....my perception is that you don't believe in holding them accountable....you would rather counsel them, rehab them and send them back out to make more meth...(statistics show that is what happens) Can you show me otherwise? How successful is drug rehab?

[TexKan]

Oh Puuuuleeeeze........... just cause I think you are responsible for YOU???? I know your plight, you can't save the world dear - be happy you saved yourself. It didn't happen with someone feeling so sorry for you that they held you in rehab............. you held you in rehab. Be happy that you did and don't be so quick to judge - seems rehab would have taught you that. I don't feel sorry for those that don't help themselves - there was a time I'm sure I wouldn't have felt sorry for you either. I don't need education ( I have that) I understand ALL too well as it is. I'm not a bleeding heart - if I was I would have been sucked in by every "drug seeking behavior" patient I came into contact with. Anyone deserves a hand up............. a hand out???? Nope fraid not!

[pootsy]

You people are judging and I think that is bullshit. I didn't say that I feel sorry for them, that is not the way it is. I said that people make mistakes, nobody is ****ing perfect. Like you guys never did a damn thing wrong in your life. Ya right.

[TexKan]

I hate to even get into this - but here goes -
When someone disagrees with how you look at something - saying they are judgemental is such a copout. When someone thinks to the opposite side of you - that's all it means. Not everyone thinks the same or sees things the same. I'm sure we have all done things we are not proud of. No one is perfect, not everyone feels a persoanl sense of responsibility for others that make bad choices.

I have never been in a situation where I needed rehab - I have family that did but there was no sympathy for the family member. My family lives by the tough love rule. Seems to have worked quite well in my small world of experience. I have a family member that also found out prison is a sure fire way to get off drugs..... had to go there 2 times to figger it out. They are clean (I think) but if not they sure learned how to not let the addiction control thier life - after all that IS rehab.

Don't get so riled - it's only thoughts on here - when it's at your own front door none of us know how we will feel, or what we will do. We all like to think we know but truth is every situation is different when it's personal.

I know those in recovery struggle - I just don't see how giving a pat on the head rather than a kick in the ass is helpful when the main desire of the person is to do the drugs or drink the drink. Moderation is a really hard thing for some - some only need to think there is a safe place to fall for them to take the plunge. Trust me I have helped many get back up but I'll be damend if I help them fall. Just all depends on how ya look at it Poots. Every persons rehab is different and every persons addiction is different. They may all do a 12 step program but the success is dependent on THEM not if the rehab is in prison or out. Rehab is sucessful ONLY when the person wants it to be. That my friend is a proven fact.