Tahah being charged with 1st Degree murder!

[Tee]

Originally Posted by banyon

What was on it?

Something to the affect that he was down in the dumps over the whole "situation" with his girlfriend...then it was followed up with a bunch of comments by cops/friends wishing him a quick recovery over the whole "situation".

Then there was some crazy song that was full of violent wording about getting back at those that "wrong you".

I saw it. Many of us looked at it. It was very strange, indeed. You would have thought it would have been called into the trial. It would have showed he was admittedly in turmoil over his love-life and it would have showed he was angry at the situation.

[Flying Dutchman]

I agree.......closing the thread accomplishes nothing.

Having been a private investigator for quite a few years, I would tell you that if anyone takes your money to investigate this......it is money lost and they are taking you for a ride. To get an appeal you have to:
prove or show the counsel was incompetant (highly unlikely)
produce new evidence not discoverable at time of trial (not likely)
prove that a states witness lied

Also, they will dig up EVERYTHING from his past. Trust me, if there is even one shred of truth to the youthville thing, it will come out.

I'm with Fam on this one.....talk to him and get him to tell you the truth. If you accept his version, then so be it. I do not whole heartedly trust juries, but in this case the evidence you wish to discredit points to him and him alone.

[pootsy]

Originally Posted by where's_the_evidence?

No whinning going on. I"m stating facts in evidence.
And the only person i've insulted is Pootsy, she's the only one i will insult, she's the only one throwing out wild accusations.
Everyone on this board has stated what they believe in, and that is fine, i'm also stating what i believe in.

You did not insult me at all because I know the truth about Chris.

His and hers myspace pages both should have been into evidence. Her myspace page was either hacked or she made that last comment about her boyfriend not being well endowed. Myspace pages get spammed like that all the time. Well anyway hell, Chris could have read that and thought she wrote that about him, or she did and got real PISSED! That within itself could have been a motive. His myspace page had sick and twisted all over it and he was very angry and hurt over something. I like heavy music but what I remember about it something was not right. He was not a very happy camper.

[pootsy]

[quote=Flying Dutchman;69341]I agree.......closing the thread accomplishes nothing.

Having been a private investigator for quite a few years, I would tell you that if anyone takes your money to investigate this......it is money lost and they are taking you for a ride. To get an appeal you have to:
prove or show the counsel was incompetant (highly unlikely)
produce new evidence not discoverable at time of trial (not likely)
prove that a states witness lied

Also, they will dig up EVERYTHING from his past. Trust me, if there is even one shred of truth to the youthville thing, it will come out.

Oh its true VERY TRUE

[where's_the_evidence?]

[quote=banyon;69328]The evidence (in 55+ exhibits + testimony)

Means:

Chris having Winchester rifle of consistent caliber that killed Erin. Chris having round saved in a Chinese puzzle box consistent with the murder bullet. Chris trying to explain it away that it was his "bullseye at the target range" (normal people would save the target). Police seeing rifle bolt in Chris's apartment and then it disappears when they come back (thus, making ballistics impossible as Chris would know). Chris throwing shoes that he had worn many times a week suddenly away (because there might be mineral samples on them).

The 270 rifle was means, however there was no bolt to that weapon.
The KBI in open court said that when they did the intial search that the bolt was present in the house and that they took pictures of it.
The bolt was found in a glock pistol box according to them.
After Chris was captured in Colorado they went back to the apartment to seize the 270 and the bolt. However, they claim the bolt was not there.
They have pictures of every weapon that Chris owned and pictures of the glock boxes. Yet somehow they don't have pictures of the bolt when they did the intial search. The reason given in court was that the mini-disc containing the missing pictures was damaged.
Pretty convient that the bolt pictures were lost don't you think.

What was found in the chinese puzzle box was a 270 spent casing.
How is that consistent to the bullet used? It was never proven that a 270 rifle was the weapon used.
Incidently, the target Chris used was saved.

The shoes, he supposedly walked through a field, an alley way, and hid in bushes. On a stormy night wouldn't those shoes be wet? Wouldn't those shoes be soiled? Wouldn't there be footprints all about the house?
After he supposedly throw the shoes away, if he had thrown them in the trash which contained, amonst other things, paper shreds, wouldn't the paper shreds have water markings on them when the shoes dried?

There was no evidence that linked him to the crime, this includes the shoes. They jumped on the shoes because they were in the trash and they could make it fit. No evidence to support it but they could make it fit.

[where's_the_evidence?]

Originally Posted by Flying Dutchman

I agree.......closing the thread accomplishes nothing.

Having been a private investigator for quite a few years, I would tell you that if anyone takes your money to investigate this......it is money lost and they are taking you for a ride. To get an appeal you have to:
prove or show the counsel was incompetant (highly unlikely)
produce new evidence not discoverable at time of trial (not likely)
prove that a states witness lied

Also, they will dig up EVERYTHING from his past. Trust me, if there is even one shred of truth to the youthville thing, it will come out.

I'm with Fam on this one.....talk to him and get him to tell you the truth. If you accept his version, then so be it. I do not whole heartedly trust juries, but in this case the evidence you wish to discredit points to him and him alone.

The KBI did make at least 2 false statement in court, i won't go into detail on this. However it does concern their testimony on gunshot residue and the pictures they took of the back of the house.

Btw, who is whinning?

[spike52]

Originally Posted by banyon

The evidence (in 55+ exhibits + testimony):

Motive:

Erin seeing others, Erin breaking up with Chris, Chris admitting he had difficulty dealing with it, Chris admitting he killed her, Chris knowing that she was shot despite no credible method for gaining such knowledge.

Means:

Chris having Winchester rifle of consistent caliber that killed Erin. Chris having round saved in a Chinese puzzle box consistent with the murder bullet. Chris trying to explain it away that it was his "bullseye at the target range" (normal people would save the target). Police seeing rifle bolt in Chris's apartment and then it disappears when they come back (thus, making ballistics impossible as Chris would know). Chris throwing shoes that he had worn many times a week suddenly away (because there might be mineral samples on them).

Opportunity:

Chris being called for duty (for Greensburg tornado) and claiming that he was unavailable. Chris coming into Erin's home repeatedly when she wasn't home and her checking her house to seeif he was there. Chris seeing her dancing with another man that night at Central Station. Chris having no alibi besides "he was drinking" that night.

No credibility:

Chris fleeing the jurisdiction, STEALING another person's Humvee and attempting to escape multiple Colorado officers. Chris convicted of those crimes. Chris admitting that he killed Erin upon his capture. Chris telling how he waited and gun went off accidentally. Chris changing story at trial to never having been there against his attorney's advice.

Yeah, WHERE's THE EVIDENCE? Pretty much all they were missing was the murder weapon . He destroyed the usefulness of that. Shooting from outside, he knew that it was unlikely that forensic evidence from inside the home could go against him, especially when he was sitting outside in storm conditions.

That sir, that is what you call a slam dunk......

[wordsmythe]

Maybe I'm guilty of watching too many Forensic Files Episodes but why would getting rid of the bolt make bullitstic impossible?

Couldn't you replace it and then match the rifling on the slug?

Unless the slug that killed her was damaged beyond examination.

I guess then they would need the bolt to compare markings onthe casing.

And you're right about keeping the target. I have my first quarter sized group with my .223 on the wall but the brass has been reloaded.

[where's_the_evidence?]

Originally Posted by wordsmythe

Maybe I'm guilty of watching too many Forensic Files Episodes but why would getting rid of the bolt make bullitstic impossible?

Couldn't you replace it and then match the rifling on the slug?

Unless the slug that killed her was damaged beyond examination.

I guess then they would need the bolt to compare markings onthe casing.

And you're right about keeping the target. I have my first quarter sized group with my .223 on the wall but the brass has been reloaded.

He kept the spent casing of the shell which he used to hit the target in the chinese puzzle box which is also a place where he kept keepsakes. All the items in the box where of sentimental value to him. And of course he kept the target for the very same reason.

[Tee]

Originally Posted by where's_the_evidence?

He kept the spent casing of the shell which he used to hit the target in the chinese puzzle box which is also a place where he kept keepsakes. All the items in the box where of sentimental value to him. And of course he kept the target for the very same reason.

I heard there were also some blades of grass from the grassy knoll and Jimmy Hoffas watch. Any truth to that?