Tahah being charged with 1st Degree murder!

[Made in the USA]

Mommie, I was just kidding! I know how it is, as I have farmed some too. It is not the small, family type farmer that has it good, it is the giant corporate farmers that wreck it for the rest of us. But, I do know a few that sit around, waiting for a check! Unfortunately, we are not one of them!

[mommiedearestx3]

MIT, No problem....It just hit a "sore" spot and I now have a bandaid on it.
My thoughts go into a tailspin knowing that the bigger farmers have it "made" in many ways. But I'm unable to change that or actually I don't think I would because bigger the farmer + more ground to farm= greater headaches.
That is something I don't want or need. I guess I needed to "vent" and your statement gave me that opportunity.

[Made in the USA]

Hey, No Problemo, glad I could be of service!!
I officiated sporting events for years, and I realized that I was a good "vent" for people's frustrations. Hell, I should have charged more for the "relief"!
Also, been there-done that with the bigger and working your ass off for nothing. In my "older age", I finally realized there are many things more important; but I wouldn't have done it any other way.

By the way, I think I need to put the following footnote in my posts (since I seemed to tee off several people over the last few days):

CAUTION: Champion BullS--tter! Do not take comments literally. If I am razzing you, it means I like you!

[banyon]

Originally Posted by The Rev

"Pre-Meditated" is an aggravating factor which will carry weight in the sentencing phase of the trial. The "felony" part of the murder charge, as outlined before comes since Tahah was engaged in a Felony (burglary- by statute: 21-3715. Burglary. Burglary is knowingly and without authority entering into or remaining within any:

(a) Building, manufactured home, mobile home, tent or other structure which is a dwelling, with intent to commit a felony, theft or sexual battery therein;
(b) building, manufactured home, mobile home, tent or other structure which is not a dwelling, with intent to commit a felony, theft or sexual battery therein; or
(c) motor vehicle, aircraft, watercraft, railroad car or other means of conveyance of persons or property, with intent to commit a felony, theft or sexual battery therein.
Burglary as described in subsection (a) is a severity level 7, person felony. Burglary as described in subsection (b) is a severity level 7, nonperson felony. Burglary as described in subsection (c) is a severity level 9, nonperson felony. History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-3715; L. 1989, ch. 92, § 21; L. 1991, ch. 33, § 28; L. 1992, ch. 298, § 44; L. 1993, ch. 291, § 74; July 1.)

The Statute for Murder in the First Degree, according to Kansas Statutes Annotated, reads as follows (also following are the sentencing guidelines, in response to the Hard 40 or Hard 50 statements previously in this thread):

21-3401. Murder in the first degree. Murder in the first degree is the killing of a human being committed:

(a) Intentionally and with premeditation; or
(b) in the commission of, attempt to commit, or flight from an inherently dangerous felony as defined in K.S.A. 21-3436 and amendments thereto. Murder in the first degree is an off-grid person felony.

Tahah was originally charged with 2nd Degree Murder:

21-3402. Murder in the second degree. Murder in the second degree is the killing of a human being committed:

(a) Intentionally; or
(b) unintentionally but recklessly under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life. Murder in the second degree as described in subsection (a) is a severity level 1, person felony. Murder in the second degree as described in subsection (b) is a severity level 2, person felony.


21-4635. Sentencing of certain persons to mandatory term of imprisonment of 40 or 50 years or life without the possibility of parole; determination; evidence presented; balance of aggravating and mitigating circumstances. (a) Except as provided in K.S.A. 21-4622, 21-4623 and 21-4634 and amendments thereto, if a defendant is convicted of the crime of capital murder and a sentence of death is not imposed pursuant to subsection (e) of K.S.A. 21-4624, and amendments thereto, or requested pursuant to subsection (a) or (b) of K.S.A. 21-4624, and amendments thereto, the defendant shall be sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.

(b) If a defendant is convicted of murder in the first degree based upon the finding of premeditated murder, the court shall determine whether the defendant shall be required to serve a mandatory term of imprisonment of 40 years or for crimes committed on and after July 1, 1999, a mandatory term of imprisonment of 50 years or sentenced as otherwise provided by law.
(c) In order to make such determination, the court may be presented evidence concerning any matter that the court deems relevant to the question of sentence and shall include matters relating to any of the aggravating circumstances enumerated in K.S.A. 21-4636 and amendments thereto and any mitigating circumstances. Any such evidence which the court deems to have probative value may be received regardless of its admissibility under the rules of evidence, provided that the defendant is accorded a fair opportunity to rebut any hearsay statements. Only such evidence of aggravating circumstances as the state has made known to the defendant prior to the sentencing shall be admissible and no evidence secured in violation of the constitution of the United States or of the state of Kansas shall be admissible. No testimony by the defendant at the time of sentencing shall be admissible against the defendant at any subsequent criminal proceeding. At the conclusion of the evidentiary presentation, the court shall allow the parties a reasonable period of time in which to present oral argument.
(d) If the court finds that one or more of the aggravating circumstances enumerated in K.S.A. 21-4636 and amendments thereto exist and, further, that the existence of such aggravating circumstances is not outweighed by any mitigating circumstances which are found to exist, the defendant shall be sentenced pursuant to K.S.A. 21-4638 and amendments thereto; otherwise, the defendant shall be sentenced as provided by law. The court shall designate, in writing, the statutory aggravating circumstances which it found. The court may make the findings required by this subsection for the purpose of determining whether to sentence a defendant pursuant to K.S.A. 21-4638 and amendments thereto notwithstanding contrary findings made by the jury or court pursuant to subsection (e) of K.S.A. 21-4624 and amendments thereto for the purpose of determining whether to sentence such defendant to death. History: L. 1994, ch. 341, § 6; L. 1999, ch. 164, § 15; L. 2004, ch. 102, § 4; July 1.

This is close, but the underlying felony to justify the felony murder charge was actually KSA 21-4219(b) unlawful discharge of a firearm at an occupied dwelling. There is no evidence that he actually entered the building and committed burglary.

[TexKan]

Well boy am I relieved that he's only a murderer!!! Gee I don't think I could handel having one more thief in society!!!!

Sure hope they get all the "fine details" ironed out soon so they can determine IF he's guilty or not. Wouldn't want someone being blamed for something they didn't "really" do. Otherwise my thoughts are that I hope the evidence brings some peace to her family and justice to her death.

[banyon]

Originally Posted by TexKan

Well boy am I relieved that he's only a murderer!!! Gee I don't think I could handel having one more thief in society!!!!

Sure hope they get all the "fine details" ironed out soon so they can determine IF he's guilty or not. Wouldn't want someone being blamed for something they didn't "really" do. Otherwise my thoughts are that I hope the evidence brings some peace to her family and justice to her death.

What are you going on about? This America not Soviet Russia. We try not to charge people with crimes we have no evidence to support.

[TexKan]

To me the burglary is pale compared to the end act. I understand there are fine points to the law and they usually are argued at nausium during a trial.

I'm very much for being fair but the degree of a murder just confuses me. Is the person any less dead? I understand there are extenuating circumstances to some deaths as well - but it's the little crimes that led up to the main crime that gets wailed on. They "bargain" with these things and I think that's wrong. If you killed someone out of passion and jealousy then I think you deserve maximum punishment. It doesn't matter if you burglarized a habitation.

I just feel IF someone says - yes I did it - that's enough for me to not argue that perhaps he could be innocent. It has nothing to do with a Soviet Union mentality. I just have no patience for all the posturing that goes on with some trials.

I do hope the evidence proves that the police have the right person and I do hope he gets the full punishment that the law allows.

That my friend is where I come from. It's not a mind bender. I meant no disrespect to your eloquence on the statues.

[Tee]

Originally Posted by banyon

This is close, but the underlying felony to justify the felony murder charge was actually KSA 21-4219(b) unlawful discharge of a firearm at an occupied dwelling. There is no evidence that he actually entered the building and committed burglary.

One would think that "unlawful discharge of a firearm" occurs in every shooting-homocide, since the gun is unlawfully fired a fraction of a second before the bullet actually contacts the victim.

[1Dren WouldHe]

I don't think that they should haggle over the burglary end... if a murder took place, premeditated at that, it SHOULD BE more than enough to put him away FOREVER.

[TexKan]

I like the way ya'll think!!