Cops in Dodge City

[pootsy]

A good counselor once said this......



I have a gun, I am walking toward your child, how far would I get? Usually the answer is "not too far." Well Jaylin and others who drive drunk, that is what you are doing everytime you drive drunk, you are putting a gun to the heads of everyones children, parents, and whoever else is on the streets. You are putting a gun to your own head.


so whatchaa think about that?

[pootsy]

Originally Posted by Detector

I'm with the rest. Don't want a DUI, don't drive after you drink. "Camping" at a bar for drunk drives just makes good sense.

Now I do not agree with what Jaylin posted BUT being a former bar owner(whatever) I do not agree with the police hanging out just waiting to bust someone. I am sorry but that is just bad for business. Bar owners have rights too.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by pootsy

Bar owners have rights too.

What rights do bar owners have concerning the police?

It may be bad for business as far as people leaving that are going to drive drunk but if I haven't been drinking I would appreciate a police presence in the area to curtial the idiots that fight and those that may be driving while intoxicated.

[flyingk]

What Rights do bar owners have against law enforcement hanging out outside? Isn't it part of a liqour license to be open to law enforcement? In my mind a transparent business has nothing to hide. If you serve alcohol isn't socially and personally part of most businesses core values to not allow acts which occur in your business to threaten the lives of your patrons and the public at large. I am saying how many bars advocate getting a DD or suggestions (besides small signs here and there) of the drinkers to call a cab or hand the keys over. It's part of getting back to basics, our community needs to focus on core values and influence the citizens to follow. By no means I am trying to sounds like we should shut the bars down because most of us enjoy going out for a meal and drink but it is part of the business to be responsible remind people "Hey it looks like you may of had too much, do you need a ride home because it would be no problem trying to get you one!"

Besides it is illegal to serve someone who is drunk.....when is the last time you saw a bartender refuse to serve someone because they had too much to drink. It happens and that is the bar I want to go to because they are looking out for everyone not too worried about profit.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by flyingk

What Rights do bar owners have against law enforcement hanging out outside? Isn't it part of a liqour license to be open to law enforcement? In my mind a transparent business has nothing to hide. If you serve alcohol isn't socially and personally part of most businesses core values to not allow acts which occur in your business to threaten the lives of your patrons and the public at large. I am saying how many bars advocate getting a DD or suggestions (besides small signs here and there) of the drinkers to call a cab or hand the keys over. It's part of getting back to basics, our community needs to focus on core values and influence the citizens to follow. By no means I am trying to sounds like we should shut the bars down because most of us enjoy going out for a meal and drink but it is part of the business to be responsible remind people "Hey it looks like you may of had too much, do you need a ride home because it would be no problem trying to get you one!"

Besides it is illegal to serve someone who is drunk.....when is the last time you saw a bartender refuse to serve someone because they had too much to drink. It happens and that is the bar I want to go to because they are looking out for everyone not too worried about profit.

Great post. Thank you for your thoughts. The bar owner should have some responsibility towards advocating the use of a DD.

[BroncoFan]

Originally Posted by flyingk

What Rights do bar owners have against law enforcement hanging out outside? Isn't it part of a liqour license to be open to law enforcement? In my mind a transparent business has nothing to hide. If you serve alcohol isn't socially and personally part of most businesses core values to not allow acts which occur in your business to threaten the lives of your patrons and the public at large. I am saying how many bars advocate getting a DD or suggestions (besides small signs here and there) of the drinkers to call a cab or hand the keys over. It's part of getting back to basics, our community needs to focus on core values and influence the citizens to follow. By no means I am trying to sounds like we should shut the bars down because most of us enjoy going out for a meal and drink but it is part of the business to be responsible remind people "Hey it looks like you may of had too much, do you need a ride home because it would be no problem trying to get you one!"

Besides it is illegal to serve someone who is drunk.....when is the last time you saw a bartender refuse to serve someone because they had too much to drink. It happens and that is the bar I want to go to because they are looking out for everyone not too worried about profit.

I disagree, to some extent. The business should not be responsible. They do not know who is driving and who is not. It is not against the law to get drunk. Just what you do when you are drunk. I am not advocating drunkeness, but we cannot make those serving responsible any more than they already are. Let the police take care of them outside or inside. Government is already too involved in businesses. No need making cops out of them, too.

We all need to take a little responsibility ourselves, and if you get a DUI, then count yourself lucky and take the opportunity to change before you kill someone.

[eunuch]

I agree with Jaylin; I just know better than say it in public.

[dustinwadams5]

You agree? Ok that's fine, but why do you agree? I'd like to hear the opposite end of this discussion to see all perspectives to better understand them.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by BroncoFan

I disagree, to some extent. The business should not be responsible. They do not know who is driving and who is not. It is not against the law to get drunk. Just what you do when you are drunk. I am not advocating drunkeness, but we cannot make those serving responsible any more than they already are. Let the police take care of them outside or inside. Government is already too involved in businesses. No need making cops out of them, too.

We all need to take a little responsibility ourselves, and if you get a DUI, then count yourself lucky and take the opportunity to change before you kill someone.

The business maybe shouldn't be responsible but what about the one guy sitting at the bar drinking himself into a stuper and then the bar watches him stumble out knowing he's going to drive home. (I've seen that situation) I have also seen places where they call the same guy a cab and not let him drive and even have one of the servers run the guy home. That is a better scenario than letter someone drive home smashed. A lot of smaller bars know most of their customers and who is driving and who isn't. Is it their responsibility....that's questionable. But if they could get a little involved our of it being the right thing to do and prevent just ONE DUI they not only do the customer a service but they also may be saving a life.

[BroncoFan]

Carefull AofOne, You may be starting to sound like a liberal!! "If we can save just ONE life, its worth it"!

Just kidding, but again, you cannot expect servers to "know their customers". Some they will, other's they won't. What most do not understand is that a person is LEGALLY DRUNK according to Kansas law, but may not be exhibiting the sings of drunkeness. You are wanting someone to make that judgement? Others that drink often and be twice the legal limit, but not demonstrating the signs of drunkeness. You would then hold business owners responsible for something they are not trained in, as well as the servers.

Therefore, it is only a job for law enforcement officers. That being said, I would think that a server that sees the signs of a person being wasted SHOULD stop serving. But remember, if you quit serving a drunk, what is he/she going to do?

Head to another bar!