A 2006 defeat ensures a 2008 victory?

[Detector]

History says yes, but I believe there is a good reason.

The Right, as well as Americans, have fallen for a left wing slight-of-hand. As the Left hand dangled the war in Iraq in front of Americans as political bait, the right hand was busy drumming up the Latino vote.

After the immigration marches earlier this year Americans realized if nothing else Latinos can rally in masses. Believing this can be used to their advantage in the November election, they(dems) quietly set about harnessing these potential votes.

Shops were setup all around the country to make getting a drivers license easy for undocumented immigrants. With a drivers license they would then be eligible to vote and with a promise to stay in America, if elected, their victory was set. Polls show there was at least a 75% increase in the Latino vote.

But this victory will probably be short live once Americans find out they've been deceived. It is almost guaranteed the democrats first move, as keepers of the house, will be to pass a guest worker program. After all they must fulfill their promise to the voters that put them in control. Given time, and enough rope, democrats will hang themselves and the power will shit once again in 2008.

[Highwayman]

Since the Dems ran on “change the course” without defining a new course they can’t really claim a mandate. They don’t even have a direction. At least they don’t have one they want to tell us about. It isn’t at all like 1994 when Republicans defined their proposed changes, sweep both houses and worked from their list.

With the probable recount looming in Virginia it may be into December before we know the final outcome of the Senate. Not exactly what I’d call a sweeping victory for the Dems.

[Outofdodge]

Originally Posted by Detector

The Right, as well as Americans, have fallen for a left wing slight-of-hand. As the Left hand dangled the war in Iraq in front of Americans as political bait, the right hand was busy drumming up the Latino vote.

You really need to get over this simpletonist left-right thingie. There was no sleight of hand by the democrats. This election was more a reflection of dis-satisfaction over the executive branch, which was not up for election but had basically hung it's rank and file support out to dry by it's arrogance and incompetence. The rank and file support compounded this by repeating some of the same mistakes from when the democrats controlled the house.

The democrats made gains in places that were historically conservative because they were able to come up with candidates that could run in the middle. North Carolina elected an anti-abortion, pro-gun democrat to be it's next Senator. So in the right-left context, the democrats were forced to moved to the right and the republicans find themselves further to the right. Surely some conservatives will like this. I personally think it will worsen for the republicans until they make it possible for folks to move back to the middle in that party.

Originally Posted by Detector

Shops were setup all around the country to make getting a drivers license easy for undocumented immigrants. With a drivers license they would then be eligible to vote and with a promise to stay in America, if elected, their victory was set

Got a source for this alledged massive voting fraud? You obviously don't have much faith in the voter registration process or the individual state's ability to spot a fake license even if this statement was remotely true.

Immigration is a major issue, more so in certain places than others but it's not going to be the downfall of the USA. We've always been a country of immigrants. Stupid policies by both parties have brought us to the mess we whave now, not some lame brain conspiracy theory that Mexico is out to take over the country. Being in Debt to Asian countries and marginallizing our ability to react to strategic threats is going to do us in much sooner.

Originally Posted by Detector

Polls show there was at least a 75% increase in the Latino vote.

Conviently forgetting the Latino vote historically leans republican?

Originally Posted by Detector

It is almost guaranteed the democrats first move, as keepers of the house, will be to pass a guest worker program..

You mean the one President GW Bush asked for?

Originally Posted by Detector

once Americans find out they've been deceived.

Sheesh, This change happened because the American People by and large, figured out they had been were still being decieved. The stories and tales had changed so often, even the George Will's of the world were taking notice.

Speaking of deception, I believe Georgie even mentioned Iraq and Oil in the same speaches last week?

Originally Posted by Detector

After all they must fulfill their promise to the voters that put them in control. Given time, and enough rope, democrats will hang themselves and the power will shit once again in 2008.

You're partially correct in that democrats will hang themselves eventually, power corrupts, and that is the only constant. But to look for it in 2008 is a fools dream but if it comforts you, so be it.

Even if the Democrats end up getting the Senate seats in Montana and Virginia, there are two independents where one is going to pretty much be a nutcase and Lieberman is going to go his conscience. That still leaves Cheney as the tie breaker. Unless Bush further alienates his remaining base or really screws up even more than he has now, there won't be an impeachment trial nor can the democrats do much with his court nominees.

The bigger questions are for now - Will the administration work more on consensus building and try to lead for a change? and Two-can the democratic house leadership actually move to the center and stay there?

It's one thing to be in the back seat as the car is careening towards the cliff, its' another to be given the steering wheel and brake control and to see if you gain control.

The Board of Directors made it clear they want balance again, only question is will we have it?

[Detector]

Got a source for this alledged massive voting fraud? You obviously don't have much faith in the voter registration process or the individual state's ability to spot a fake license even if this statement was remotely true.

I said nothing about voter fraud. What I did say is shops were/are setup to make getting a drivers license easy and this makes them eligible to vote. I know for a fact because I was contacted by phone 3 months ago asking to pledge $$$ support to put such a shop in dodge.

I was told "they(illegals) have to drive to the nearest shop, in Wichita, to get the necessary documents, and we would like to put a work shop in dodge." I told them not just no, but hell no. I think they all should be sent back to where they came from.

[Outofdodge]

I said nothing about voter fraud. What I did say is shops were/are setup to make getting a drivers license easy and this makes them eligible to vote. I know for a fact because I was contacted by phone 3 months ago asking to pledge $$$ support to put such a shop in dodge..

And a driver's license doesn't make them eligible to vote, it identifies them if they some how make onto the eligible voter registration list. A Driver's license is not proof of citizenship.

I think they all should be sent back to where they came from.

The same thing the Hopi's, Apache's, Cherokee's et al said about our fore fathers eh?

[Detector]

The same thing the Hopi's, Apache's, Cherokee's et al said about our fore fathers eh?

And they were correct huh! If they only knew then what they know now. Well, we do know and still allow it to happen. Hows that go? Fool me once.

I'm trying to find the article I read this morning talking about undocumented immigrants getting a drivers license, from these shops, so they can vote themselves into America.

[TexKan]

We have all heard the complaints about driver's licenses getting folks into the voting booth. It's common knowledge round here. What would posess a person to think it doesn't? Rather than looking for proof that it does...... I say show me proof it doesn't. It certanly gets them into the social security and IRS arena......... think voting is that hard to do??? Hell hundreds of dead people vote every year...... wake up!!

[lurker]

We guard our voting booths slightly better than we guard our borders.

It went to hell when we began registering voters at grocery check lines...

[Outofdodge]

Originally Posted by TexKan

We have all heard the complaints about driver's licenses getting folks into the voting booth. It's common knowledge round here. What would posess a person to think it doesn't? Rather than looking for proof that it does...... I say show me proof it doesn't. It certanly gets them into the social security and IRS arena......... think voting is that hard to do??? Hell hundreds of dead people vote every year...... wake up!!

Are you saying most states don't register voters ahead of the election? As I was builind my career my first employer promoted me every four to five years. I've voted in Indiana, Kansas, Illinois, Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida. Not once could I walk up on election day and vote without being registered before hand.

I understand some states have provisional voting in the case when someone presents they're eligible to vote but the information does not jive with the rolls, but those votes are not supposed to be counted unless things get matched up. If you are implying some precints in Texas and elsewhere count the provisional ballots anyway then that's a state issue. In the case of Texas, a solid red state issue and not a democratic trick as was implied.

Lurker got it right, the time to prove eligibility to vote is at registration and registration drives at the local store is just too fraught with potential for abuse.

[Made in the USA]

Hell hundreds of dead people vote every year...... wake up!!--Texie

I saw hundreds of "dead people" voting on Tuesday! Of course, I have to vote there at the old folks home---