Healthcare...

[TexKan]

Greed - where you worry bout YOU and yourz and feel no sense of responsibility towards others.............. it's the "I gets mine" mentality............

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by TexKan

Greed - where you worry bout YOU and yourz and feel no sense of responsibility towards others.............. it's the "I gets mine" mentality............

But our beloved gov't forces us to worry about others via taxes, taxes and more taxes. So if a person wants to make as much money as possible does that make them greedy? Is Donald Trump greedy? Oprah Winfrey? Is Bill Gates greedy?

[TexKan]

They are more concerned with others than most CEO's ........... they spend a lot of thier moeny helping others.......... is that such a bad thing?............ I'm not into social classes and do feel the playing field should be level even if it seems to be getting leveled by those who have money............ that's not what i call greed........ greed is where you only worry bout YOU.............. that's greed......... where humanity was just stupid enough to make you rich.............. it doesn't matter...... we are not arguing the capitolistic make up of our country here........ we are talkin greedy SOB's that don't deserve what they have and think that it's OK to make a buck off the back of others............ no that is not right - in any scenerio.........

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by TexKan

They are more concerned with others than most CEO's ........... they spend a lot of thier moeny helping others.......... is that such a bad thing?............ I'm not into social classes and do feel the playing field should be level even if it seems to be getting leveled by those who have money............ that's not what i call greed........ greed is where you only worry bout YOU.............. that's greed......... where humanity was just stupid enough to make you rich.............. it doesn't matter...... we are not arguing the capitolistic make up of our country here........ we are talkin greedy SOB's that don't deserve what they have and think that it's OK to make a buck off the back of others............ no that is not right - in any scenerio.........

They spend money helping others for tax deductions and to keep their image nice and from not being looked at as a "Greedy Bastard". So really they just help out of personal interest. Who decided who deserves what one has and what one doesn't have. Just because you think someone is greedy does that mean he doesn't deserve what he has made?

[TexKan]

Anthing other than what you need is a awaste........ I'm not saying everyone should make the same........... but there is a level of greed - I'm not gonna argue with you on it forever and I understand in this world folks make all they can................... I just have very little respect for those that just take take take............ and I'm not talkin the welfare rolls here eithre.

It's not a black and white issue - there should be limits to what CEO's and such can scam, pocket, make........... look at Enron - if they weren't so damn greedy they wouldn't have lied, thousands would have retirement, and Ken might still be alive - do those that lost everything deserve it? NO - do they deserve a decent health care plan??? YES - should we all have a decent health care plan? YES - should everyone pay a fair share of it? YES even you and me AOO I don't mind helpin the masses - do you?

[Bubba]

Ken's probably still alive and living it up in some tropical paradise that has no extradition. He was rich enough and had friends in Colorado that could have doctored a death certificate up for him. I'll believe he's really dead when I see the autopsy photos/video complete with the "Y" incision all spread open, and his brain out of his head sitting on the scale.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by TexKan

do they deserve a decent health care plan??? YES - should we all have a decent health care plan? YES - should everyone pay a fair share of it? YES even you and me AOO I don't mind helpin the masses - do you?

I agree, everyone should have a decent health care plan. Many choose to not have health care because they don't want to pay for it. What is a fair share for someone that doesn't want to work? If JOE CITIZEN is laying on his ass, smoking crack and doing nothing why would I want to pay for his health care? What IS his fair share? I don't mind helping those that want to help themselves...I do every day, it's called taxes. Health care is not a right....if it is you will have to show me where it is written....Health care is a responsibility....and some people shun that responsibility and depend on others to take care of it for them.

[Flying Dutchman]

Not to be disrespectful, and please do not take it that way Army, but how much do you have to pay for healthcare being in the military? I had to take a lower paying job just so I could get healthcare that is covered by my job.

I do not mind the free enterprise system, I think competition drives one to make a better product. The problem with healthcare is if you make a better product, you lose your profit. How much profit is there if you cure cancer? If, say, there were an Ebola outbreak in the U.S. I can garuntee you that a cure would be miraculusly (sic) found because it kills quickly, no time to treat somebody. Aids, cancer, the flu......they all kill over time. Other diseases are the same way.

To say that some people choose to not pay for healthcare and can is true. I think you would find, though, that that is a small percentage.

[Highwayman]

Army, I don’t care for any of the options in your poll. I don’t think the system is fine as is. Now I’m a free market, less government kind of guy but there are some things that the government could be doing. Running health care isn’t one of them. I’ve have enough doctors making poor decisions without a government bureaucrat helping them.

The government could do something about stemming the flood of malpractice lawsuits that suck millions from the system and the cost gets passed on to the rest of us. You can’t get rid of those lawsuits completely because many are justified but many aren’t and we pay for it. I’ve seen surveys that say 9 out of 10 doctors practice defensive medicine like running extra tests to protect themselves.

Free market folks have complained about excessive lengths of trials for new drugs driving up costs and not saving lives by getting to the market sooner. Recently Pfizer had to withdraw a new cholesterol drug it was testing in the last year of the trial because of a high body count. Several drugs that had been approved later get recalled because things turn up after they were put on the market. So do we allow drug companies an unregulated environment to sell any concoction that they can stir up? On the other hand we can’t regulate the prices down either because it discourages new research.

I’m all for doctors and health care folks making plenty of money but there still has to be some oversight. Unfortunately it seems like a situation where if the government doesn’t do it then it won’t get done.

[K C Muffin]

Originally Posted by Outofdodge

What do you think of your government healthcare?

Tricare's great for what it is. Hubby's retired military. We can have retirement healthcare benefits for a price. But it's not run efficiently and the servicing pharmacy changes every couple of years. Out with the old rules and in with the new. It's about the same as any other claim organization - sometimes you end up with someone who doesn't know the rules and overpays a claim and sometimes you end up with someone who does know the rules and denies the claim. There isn't a time that I pick up a prescription at the pharmacy and don't wonder how normal people make ends meet. If I have a $25 copay on a drug that's covered by my corporate healthcare package, we send it to Tricare and they pay all but $3 or $5 of it. So, again - how do uninsured or underinsured people make ends meet. They probably have high blood pressure, high cholesterol, use tissues instead of allergy medication, etc. I just thank my lucky stars.