The old abortion issue....

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by Tee

Where is it said that it must fit the definition of the word "baby" to be deemed killing.?? That's just dumb!

I would say it says so in the law books, otherwise abortion would be illegal.

Originally Posted by Tee

Anyone who argues that a fetus is not alive (therefore, life) is retarded!

A fetus lives only through the mother. Not by itself.

Originally Posted by Tee

If you believe in God, you will obey his commandment and stop trying to justify murder of early life.


Thy shalt not kill!

I think you meant Thou shalt not kill. But anyway, I don't believe in God, I am agnostic.

[Flying Dutchman]

See how this discussion, like I thought it would, would come down to religious ideals, name calling and legal hair splitting (life-not life) which is why this issue is as heated as it is. Is "Thou shalt not kill" a commandment only regulated to those we want to kill? If you live by the commandments, then isn't living in America breaking the ones governing covetting? Capitalism is based and ran on the concept of wanting what others have. Is a fetus not a life? That is why I think abortion is legalized murder, pure and simple. Is it right or is it wrong? That depends, in my opinion, on exactly where your beliefs are. If you believe ALL life has the right to live, then it is wrong. If you believe life has different definitions, like is it a viable life, then it is right. I agree, abortion as a form of birth control is morally wrong. Knowing quite a few women who have had abortions, they did not view it that callusly (sic). They did not willingly have sex with the idea of not caring if they got pregnant because they would just get an abortion. I am sure some women, and men, do view it as an option instead of condoms or the pill, but that is a small, small percentage.
Also it was brought up that the father has no say. You are correct, and it is unfair, but show me anywhere in anything where one side does not have final say or best outcome for them. The woman carries the child so she gets the final say, it is just that simple. Until it comes to a point where men can bear children, that is just how it goes.

[Made in the USA]

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

Yea but sometime you have these 14, 15 or 16 year old females with low self-esteem that can't keep their legs shut cause it just feels too good...poppin out kids that the state will raise...they use abortion as birth control because they don't know any better.....lol

Sterilize them-----that should solve the problem!

[wordsmythe]

Originally Posted by Flying Dutchman

See how this discussion, like I thought it would, would come down to religious ideals, name calling and legal hair splitting (life-not life) which is why this issue is as heated as it is.

And it's effectively stopped discussion on any other topic. So much for healthcare.

[wordsmythe]

Originally Posted by Bubba

But anyway, I don't believe in God, I am agnostic.

ag·nos·tic
[ag-nos-tik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
2. a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.

a·the·ist
–noun a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.


Which are you again?

[TexKan]

Welcome to Congress!!!!

[TexKan]

I was thinkin that Wordie - cause my sons is Agnostic - and I know he believes in something - hell he's not sure but he's sure it's not the God everyone keeps fightin over and about!

[Tee]

So why do you need religeon to have morals?

Don't you feel it deep down in your mind, that it is wrong?

Bubba said a fetus cannot live outside the mother and the mother sustains the life. Well this is simply not true as fetuses as young as 3 months have lived on their own.

Partial Birth abortion:

The act of aborting a nearly full grown baby. Since the baby is so big and developed, they use a tool to go into the mothers womb and crush it's head to simplify extration and to terminate life so as not to deliver a live child.

Now folks, any of you that think this is right need mental help. If you think it's not alive, you are lying to yourself, perhaps to deal with yor own guilt. Religeous or not, if you agree with this practice, you need help.

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by wordsmythe

ag·nos·tic
[ag-nos-tik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
2. a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.

a·the·ist
–noun a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.


Which are you again?

Well the definition I have says that you don't believe until definite proof can be shown.

added on edit...
From Websters New World Dictionary:
agnostic-n.
[coined (1870) by Thomas Henry HUXLEY < A-2 + GNOSTIC] a person who believes that the human mind cannot know whether there is a God or an ultimate cause, or anything beyond material phenomena.


To me, that says there isn't a God until you can prove to me there is a God.

[wordsmythe]

Originally Posted by Bubba

I don't believe in God.

I think you have your definitions mixed up then.

Be what you are.