The old abortion issue....

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by Tee

So why do you need religeon to have morals?

Don't you feel it deep down in your mind, that it is wrong?

Bubba said a fetus cannot live outside the mother and the mother sustains the life. Well this is simply not true as fetuses as young as 3 months have lived on their own.

Partial Birth abortion:

The act of aborting a nearly full grown baby. Since the baby is so big and developed, they use a tool to go into the mothers womb and crush it's head to simplify extration and to terminate life so as not to deliver a live child.

Now folks, any of you that think this is right need mental help. If you think it's not alive, you are lying to yourself, perhaps to deal with yor own guilt. Religeous or not, if you agree with this practice, you need help.

I find that hard to believe without proof, instead of 3 months maybe you meant 3rd trimester. That I would believe. Three months old is still in the first trimester, and the fetus would have little if any lungs, definitly not lungs developed enough to support life.

[Flying Dutchman]

My question to you Bubba, then, is it a life, or is it just not a viable life?

The late term abortion issue is the one that, in my opinion, nails those (politicians) into a no-win situation. In order for abortion to be legal, it had to be shown that a fetus, embryo, was not "a life". It had to be, for it to be a law, that basically it was no more alive than toenails or facial hair.
When they were arguing this it is my opinion that those in favor had no idea that it would encompass the whole nine-months, since commen sense tells you there has to be a cut off point. Well, like anything not thought out well, legal hair splitters took the law and ran with a fetus being not a life until it is born. This is where it became, for those who strongly oppose or strongly agree, a black and white issue. The far left (not all Democrats) agrees to this philosophy, because to deny it would mean they were wrong, which in turn means the law is wrong, which is grounds to change it.

I can argue both sides if I wanted too, both pro-life and pro-choice. I do not think either side is 100% right nor do I think it is a black and white issue. That is why I think any politician who sees it as black and white will never get voted in, too many of us see the grey.

[Tee]

Websters New World Dictionary = Bubba's Bible

If it's in there, it's gospel!

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by Flying Dutchman

My question to you Bubba, then, is it a life, or is it just not a viable life?

The late term abortion issue is the one that, in my opinion, nails those (politicians) into a no-win situation. In order for abortion to be legal, it had to be shown that a fetus, embryo, was not "a life". It had to be, for it to be a law, that basically it was no more alive than toenails or facial hair.
When they were arguing this it is my opinion that those in favor had no idea that it would encompass the whole nine-months, since commen sense tells you there has to be a cut off point. Well, like anything not thought out well, legal hair splitters took the law and ran with a fetus being not a life until it is born. This is where it became, for those who strongly oppose or strongly agree, a black and white issue. The far left (not all Democrats) agrees to this philosophy, because to deny it would mean they were wrong, which in turn means the law is wrong, which is grounds to change it.

I can argue both sides if I wanted too, both pro-life and pro-choice. I do not think either side is 100% right nor do I think it is a black and white issue. That is why I think any politician who sees it as black and white will never get voted in, too many of us see the grey.

I could argue both sides as well, I'm just glad that I'm a male and don't have to make a decision like that for myself. However, I don't think it is a decision that the government should make for any female either.

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by Tee

Websters New World Dictionary = Bubba's Bible

If it's in there, it's gospel!

No, Bubba doesn't have a bible and to suggest that something is gospel would suggest that there is religion involved. Bubba wants nothing to do with religion.

[K C Muffin]

Originally Posted by Bubba

I could argue both sides as well, I'm just glad that I'm a male and don't have to make a decision like that for myself. However, I don't think it is a decision that the government should make for any female either.

Don't forget, though, that someday the "embryo" being aborted could have been fathered by you. It's an emotional issue for the fathers as well, although not as emotional as it usually is to mothers.

[Flying Dutchman]

I don't think it is a decision that the government should make for any female either.

On this, Bubba, we both agree.

[Flying Dutchman]

I would like to personally thank everyone who posted and participated in this thread. I also would like to thank everyone for keeping it civil. It is a topic that can bring out the worst, and the best, in all of us and is hard to not take personal. You all are great and again I thank you.

[TexKan]

that was fun - huh?? No one is ever gonna see it the saem way - women are gonna view it differently than men, mothers differently than fathers, it just goes on and on - it is nice that ya can agree to disagree - you were brave for bringin it up, - my compliments - and it just goes to show that ya can fuss and hiss but not necessarily draw blood! Now if we could just get the same kinda dialog bout healthcare! LOL

There is another forum I go to that we don't even discuss this kinda stuff - it's just tooooo heavy and the group just decided to not get into all the debate............. nice thread tho there Dutchie!!

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