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[TexKan]

That's been my contention about all this disagreement on signs at businesses prohibiting someone from packin. It's all so dumb to me......... I don't need a sign to tell me if I'm safe or not. I don't have my CC anymore but the whole point is - ya don't go around advertising that you are packin. If ya feel unsafe - pack it............. signs don't mean a damn thing.

Now for gun laws........... I'm still for laws that say I can carry with a permit. Truth is I'm gonna carry....... permit or not - if I feel unsafe. And I'm carrin into your business. You will probably never know but if ya ever do find out I bet you will be mighty glad that I packed!

That's how I see gun laws and I ain't been charged with anything yet. I figger the odds are in my favor.................. wish I did as well in Vegas!! LOL

[Outofdodge]

Originally Posted by booger

The people who are responsible, partially, are thoes who decided that the campus should be a "Gun Free Zone". .

The people responsible and the only person responsible is the kid who did the shooting.

Carrying a firearm, permitted or not, does not make anyone smarter, luckier, tho it might make one feel better. It just makes them armed. For all anyone knows the kid might have shot better than someone packing a gun and would then have one more gun to fire before having to reload, or a shoot out could have occurred with more kids shot by getting caught in the crossfire. The fantasy that students packing could have prevented this is just supposition.

And no, I'm not against gun ownership.

[BroncoFan]

It will always be impossible to prevent those with criminal histories and felonies from getting guns. BBC is stating USA should ban all weapons and none of this would have happened. I beg to differ. Crimes with firearms are still being committed in England, even with firearms banned.

If the criminals can pack, then I should too!

[BroncoFan]

Originally Posted by Outofdodge

The people responsible and the only person responsible is the kid who did the shooting.

Carrying a firearm, permitted or not, does not make anyone smarter, luckier, tho it might make one feel better. It just makes them armed. For all anyone knows the kid might have shot better than someone packing a gun and would then have one more gun to fire before having to reload, or a shoot out could have occurred with more kids shot by getting the crossfire. The fantasy that students packing could have prevented this is just supposition.

And no, I'm not against gun ownership.

Do you really think that more people would have been killed?? There are a whole lot of other possibilities. Putting a hitch in the shooters "plan" may have delayed more killings and allowed law officers more time to get in and help. May have kept shooter from getting into more rooms, etc.

[Outofdodge]

Originally Posted by BroncoFan

Do you really think that more people would have been killed?? There are a whole lot of other possibilities.

By all accounts, this thing was planned. Who's to say that he might not have gone in wearing some protection or someother plan if he expected armed oppostion? Such as holding the gun to the head of hostage demanding the person holding the gun to disarm? We don't know all the possibilities.

Hard to say how someone with a conealed carry permit and a gun is going to react under the stress? Target practice before an exam is not the same as stress under fire. Police officers and soldiers sometimes shoot their own guys in-spite of all of their training. It might make some feel good to think a bunch of packing students could have prevented this, and who know's maybe they could have. But they could also very easily have made it worse.

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by TexKan

That's been my contention about all this disagreement on signs at businesses prohibiting someone from packin. It's all so dumb to me......... I don't need a sign to tell me if I'm safe or not. I don't have my CC anymore but the whole point is - ya don't go around advertising that you are packin. If ya feel unsafe - pack it............. signs don't mean a damn thing.

Now for gun laws........... I'm still for laws that say I can carry with a permit. Truth is I'm gonna carry....... permit or not - if I feel unsafe. And I'm carrin into your business. You will probably never know but if ya ever do find out I bet you will be mighty glad that I packed!

That's how I see gun laws and I ain't been charged with anything yet. I figger the odds are in my favor.................. wish I did as well in Vegas!! LOL

I'm surprised to hear you say something like this. With all your posts showing how much you are for the police almost without question. Then you admit that you are a criminal when you are packing without a permit. You, of all people, would have been the one I would have thought would err on the side of the law and get your permit, instead you are erring on the side of criminality and carrying a weapon without authorization.

[Highwayman]

Originally Posted by Outofdodge

....The fantasy that students packing could have prevented this is just supposition.....

We have seen at least two occasions were armed private citizens cut a school shooting short. In 2002 at the Appalachian School of Law two students ran to their cars to retrieve a firearm and returned to end the shooting. In 1997 a Pearl MS vice principal ran off campus to retrieve his 45 Colt and stopped a shooting rampage when he confronted the shooter. In both cases it wasn’t necessary to kill the shooter and the shooter was held for the police. Those ain’t suppositions.

Call it luck or whatever you want to but without the intervention of armed private citizens the death toll could have been higher. On thing is for sure, banning guns hasn’t worked. Last year the VA legislature killed a bill that would have allowed CCW holders to carry on a collage campus. Bad timing.

[Outofdodge]

Originally Posted by Highwayman

We have seen at least two occasions were armed private citizens cut a school shooting short. .

Nice try but Pearl comes close to your supposition. Regardless it was a kid in a rage with a rifle who still got his primary targets. The Appalachian suspect was held by several students after he came outside the building and dropped the weapon. Again his shooting was in a rage and in both cases people died. At VA tech this kid planned it, had a semiautomatic pistol among other things and chain locked the doors to prevent escape and hamper rescue.

We just don't know if students/instructors carrying would have helped or not. You guys see a CC target and assume someone might have stopped it. I see a well thought murder spree and remember just a week or two ago, trained FBI agents killed their own guy.

And from what I understand, banned guns on campus notwithstanding, VA has fairly *liberal* gun laws as compared to other states.

Originally Posted by Highwayman

On thing is for sure, banning guns hasn’t worked.

And have you ever seen me post anything insupport of banning guns?

[Highwayman]

Originally Posted by Outofdodge

....And have you ever seen me post anything insupport of banning guns?

No and I’m trying to accuse you of it. As long as guns are banned from places like schools it allows for your argument that it might not do any good. It will never do any good if it isn’t tried.

The Appalachian suspect dropped his gun because he was confronted by someone with a gun. Out of 180+ news stories only about 6 reported that little fact. Blame it on the MSM that you claim isn’t left-wing biased.

Appalachian Law School Shootings - By Ted Lang - Price of Liberty

In Pearl the kid was leaving to do some more shootings somewhere else.

A principal and his gun Wayne Laugesen Joel Myrick Pearl Mississippi Columbine High School Luke Woodham gun control

[TexKan]

Originally Posted by Bubba

I'm surprised to hear you say something like this. With all your posts showing how much you are for the police almost without question. Then you admit that you are a criminal when you are packing without a permit. You, of all people, would have been the one I would have thought would err on the side of the law and get your permit, instead you are erring on the side of criminality and carrying a weapon without authorization.

What's the matter - did I disappoint?........... LOL

If I'm gonna be a criminal - I wanna be alive. I'm a criminal only if I choose to tell ya - If I get caught it's unlawful discharge of a weapon............. unless I hit someone. I think if I were to save your ass you would be happy I chose that route. I'd be willing to face a jury for not havin a CC if I kept myself or you from dyin.

Pssst - I don't always agree with cops without question........... I feel they are the professionals and it's not my place to begin by trying to undermine them or try to second guess them when they have more info than me. It's thier job. Kinda like the kid that was told to raise his hands and refused after the shootings. The cops were there help him and he wants to be a civil liberties expert......... dumb ass........ so he got pounded to the floor.

My authorization is I keep it to myself when I feel the need - I don't feel the need to wear my gun to prove I can. I passed that years ago. Actually I was in KS when my CC expired - just never renewed it when I got back but I promise ya I had my gun with me the whole time I lived in Dodge without a CC law and you were never in danger! Yep shoulda put out that APB while ya had the chance........LOL

Sorrry Bubba - thought ya knew me better than that - I need to change my image - I'm just a rowdy Texas heathen at heart!