Cargill Rumor

[Made in the USA]

Originally Posted by midgetlover

The water used at the plants for the cattle is recirculated water that is run thru their own filtration system, that is what that round tank is that youo could see while driving past National Beef that had the KSU logo on it, well that was part of the water that they used. Cargill uses the same system both call it Waste Water and they are placed in DAF tanks to skimm the excess off and sent back thru the system to reuse. Cargill has a much larger system than National. That is so UNTRUE! They cannot use wastewater to process food! The tank with the KSU logo on it is the hot water storage tank. It is POTABLE hot water, not recycled wastewater!! The DAF tanks (dissolved air flotation) are used to collect solids and grease so they are taken out of the waste stream. A lot of these salvaged products are utilized as rendering or cosmetics bases. The reason that Cargill has a larger system than National, is because Cargill treats their own waste, then places it in their own lagoons, and hauls the crap out to dump on our land. National on the other hand, they send all of their waste to the City of Dodge City, which eventually ends up in the lagoons South of town!

National get a huge tax break from the city because every other week they have to "PIG" the sewer lines running from National beef to the south dodge smalll waste water. (its off trail the only way i know how to get there is turn off underpass west on trail and then turn left down the next road its at the the end off the dead end road to your right real small.) They should have to pig it, since they are the ones that are plugging it up! They shouldn't get any tax break for that, because it is something that the City would have to pay for. That is the old wastewater plant. It nows feeds directly to the pipelines to be transported South to the City lagoons.


The plants dont always buy supplies from out of town. Gears from Curtis, motors and parts from IBT (who is making a killing from both places), Young Electric is there OUTSIDE electrical contractors for them. National Beef also using an outside electrical contractor for larger jobs also which is also a local contractor (National Beefs contractor has a home office in california but they are open in this town). They both rely on outside refrigeration contractors when needed which are local businesses. They use local trucking companies to haul cattle to the plant. I can keep going if you wish................... They buy emergency parts when they have to, because they cannot get the service from out of town like they can here in DC. They buy steel, chemicals, safety supplies, etc, all from out of town. They also use a lot of service companies and labor from out of town. Again, unless it is an emergency, then they want the locals to "kiss their asses"!

They didnt build the plants here to buy outside the local economical base. They utilize what is around them to help the city also. Just a token!


Why dont you show your disapproval of the plants here buy not attending anything that Dodge City Days puts on. Cargill and National are the biggest sponsors for it. They do have bbq's in the park. Dont stop at there booths. Better yet dont eat the meat that will show them. Worst meat I have ever eaten was at the DC Days barbecues! I am sure they were just cleaning out the freezer! They have to spend a little money back to the area, to keep people like you thinking you need them!

We need the plants to survive. Like we need a poke in the eye with a stick! Not me! I don't need them!

And that's my thoughts and opinions on that!

[midgetlover]

USA you are so wrong. I worked rendering for years i know how it runs and what they use the water for.

The daf tanks yes remove the grease and tallow from the water and the water is sent to the waste water dept. and then it is sent back thru the system to reuse on the cattle.

Drive buy National on the west side is a new building specifically for water and the reverse osmosis water system that they use there. It is on the far west side of the plant east side off of the Underpass road. Kill floor side.

They reuse the same water over and over again.

They pig the lines as a deal they made with the city. The water from the plant is not allowed to go into the local sewer system IF any waste from the plant hits a city line it MUST be shut down out of contamination. After the water has gone thru the waste removal system of the plant it runs to small south recirc station and back to the plant. It is pigged to remove any "possible" waste they may have gone thru that specific line. National also treats their own water same as Cargill.

That is not a hot water tank as you say it is called a DAF tank which stores untreated water until it goes thru waste water to be reused. There are boards that run over the top to remove grease and tallow from the water. The hot water tanks are in the boiler room not outside tanks. Where the hot water is sent to other boilers around the plant such as rendering to supply steam to the cookers and keep the tallow melted and not clog up the lines it also feeds the presses that push product thru the rendering process to be seperated and sent to its various locations. Tallow goes to the tallow birds and sent to a seperate tank to later be shipped mainly in rail cars.

Those are not emergency parts places. IBT has a contract to supply parts to the plants around SW Ks. Curtis also supplies most of their gears and shafts for motors and gearboxes. Young Electric is there every weekend at Cargill as is Stovers (i think that is Nationals Contractor) at National. Those arent tokens to our other companies in town. It is 1 company helping another. Neil Shelton at Cargill was very instrumental in hirng Young Electric as its ONLY electrical contractor because of its local ties and availability. Since the Curtis deal has fell thru AGAIN National Beef is buying their own C&C machines and producing MORE jobs to make their own parts and it is a skilled position nto some average joe will get that position which will be in the old WW building along with the project crew.

Im glad you didnt like the meat and im sure since that was sucha bad experience you wont be buying any more hamburger from the stores around town or steaks. It comes from the same place.

I dont enjoy the meat either from the plants. If you ever get a chance and you are heading to Denver or Colorado Springs get off on the I70 and 24 junction in Limon Colorado and eat at the McDonalds, Arbys, Dennys or the truck stop. They have a plant there that only kills cattle that are organic grain fed, no antibiotics or steroids and it will blow you away th purity of the meat. The meat is then sent to its processing plant in Denver and distributed from there. Incredible and that how meat should be.

Just wanted to throw in the last statement.

Dodge needs the money and the employment offered by both plants.

[Detector]

Dodge City has relied on on these plants for over 25yrs to help bring money into this town.

That I agree with 100% and is the problem.

If they just up and left Dodge City would collapse.

That I don't agree with.

They would never bring the Casino here if it wasnt for the Plants (largest employers in sw kansas).

That is just absurd. The casino WILL boost tourism and I'm sure they didn't take our packinghouses into account when thinking Dodge City would be a great place for a casino. If anything the packing plants would be a negative toward a casino.

Gambling thrives on tourism not immigrants.

[Gunner75]

I should have the accurate gallons used by both plants Monday morning. This will not include recycled water. It was my understanding that 1500 gallons per head, per day included the recycle %. I believe the % of useable H20 was 40%. I am not totally sure of that though.

[midgetlover]

I dont think that the Casino is truly being built to be catered to the tourist.

We are a tourist town for what maybe 4mths a year. A little longer maybe? But still where do yo think mostof the money is going to come from WITHIN the community.

There are so many casinos closer to where the tourists are coming from. I have seen alot of OK tourists and Arizona tourist and im sure that OK has plenty of casinos to go to. I know AZ does (they ar no. 1 for casinos outsid eof Vegas and AC)

The casino is just another place to go to other than the only place they go to here and thats Boothill.

The decline of the tourist in Dodge has been going down for years and the Casino isnt going ot be the saviour of Dodge and its tourism. It will help yes but it will be more trouble than anything for Dodge City IN itself

Gunner I cant wait to see what you have come up with involving the water usage. Im very interested in that and I hope im proven wrong on how much is used with in the plant and used from outside the plant. Im open to learning something new. thanks

[Gunner75]

I made a call just awhile ago. That info will be available to me shortly, but not in the next day or so. I was also informed that I would have an accurate report of similar items concerning the packing plants. Pretty interesting. Can't wait to see some actual numbers that are very up to date.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by midgetlover

I dont think that the Casino is truly being built to be catered to the tourist.

We are a tourist town for what maybe 4mths a year. A little longer maybe? But still where do yo think mostof the money is going to come from WITHIN the community.

There are so many casinos closer to where the tourists are coming from. I have seen alot of OK tourists and Arizona tourist and im sure that OK has plenty of casinos to go to. I know AZ does (they ar no. 1 for casinos outsid eof Vegas and AC)

The casino is just another place to go to other than the only place they go to here and thats Boothill.

The decline of the tourist in Dodge has been going down for years and the Casino isnt going ot be the saviour of Dodge and its tourism. It will help yes but it will be more trouble than anything for Dodge City IN itself

Gunner I cant wait to see what you have come up with involving the water usage. Im very interested in that and I hope im proven wrong on how much is used with in the plant and used from outside the plant. Im open to learning something new. thanks

A casino doesn't have a "tourist" season. It will busy year 'round.

[Detector]

The decline of the tourist in Dodge has been going down for years and the Casino isnt going ot be the saviour of Dodge and its tourism.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

The tourism has been going down ever since the plants started flooding the town with immigrates. I've heard the claim that Dodge City's appeal was from the old movie and those people are dieing off, but I've done enough of my own investigating to know thats rubbish.

I've talked with people from around the world, that never even heard of Gunsmoke, and the results is always the same. They've always wanted to visit Dodge city, but they hear its nothing but a boarder town. Their complaints are the same as ours. They had a hard time getting good service due to a lack of communication skills.

There are busses that travel around western Kansas just picking up people to take to the OK casinos. From what I've heard these busses alone could keep a Dodge City casino busy.

I happen to believe a casino will make a huge difference in cleaning up the cesspool we've become. And I think time will prove me right.

[midgetlover]

A casino doesn't have a "tourist" season. It will busy year 'round

exactly and who do you think they really want in the casinos the rest of the years? You think they are going to just up and shut it down til next tourist season?

I've talked with people from around the world, that never even heard of Gunsmoke, and the results is always the same. They've always wanted to visit Dodge city, but they hear its nothing but a boarder town. Their complaints are the same as ours. They had a hard time getting good service due to a lack of communication skills.

I woudl love to talk to the saem people you say you talk to. I do not believe that for 1 minute. First off what does going to Dodge City offer?

1. Boothill. Its good once
2. A staged gunfight. barely good once
3. You can ride a stagecoach.............around downtown. Is there really anything to see except to see if someone steps in the horses surprise.
4. Last but not least.................You can take your picture with either that overpriced Wyatt Earp statue or on that eyesore called a longhorn....which is strategically placed so we cannot make 2nd streeet a thru way and to try and trap people in a dead dowtown. Fort Scott is more interesting than all i have mentioned

Not to appealing if you ask me.

Now a casino. Real appealing to me

The tourist arent coming here is because of the lack of tourist trappings not immigrants who are WORKING a job. The plants are not the "alledged" culprit in the lack of tourists.

Its funny how many damn people vacation in the same country these immigrants come from yet you say they wont come here becasue of the exact same people. I dont see much different. I have been to Mexico City Juarez and so on and ill tell you what give me a city that reeks of the smell of money and oppotunity over a third world trash can.

[Made in the USA]

Originally Posted by midgetlover

USA you are so wrong. I worked rendering for years i know how it runs and what they use the water for.

The daf tanks yes remove the grease and tallow from the water and the water is sent to the waste water dept. and then it is sent back thru the system to reuse on the cattle.

Drive buy National on the west side is a new building specifically for water and the reverse osmosis water system that they use there. It is on the far west side of the plant east side off of the Underpass road. Kill floor side.

They reuse the same water over and over again.

They pig the lines as a deal they made with the city. The water from the plant is not allowed to go into the local sewer system IF any waste from the plant hits a city line it MUST be shut down out of contamination. After the water has gone thru the waste removal system of the plant it runs to small south recirc station and back to the plant. It is pigged to remove any "possible" waste they may have gone thru that specific line. National also treats their own water same as Cargill.

That is not a hot water tank as you say it is called a DAF tank which stores untreated water until it goes thru waste water to be reused. There are boards that run over the top to remove grease and tallow from the water. The hot water tanks are in the boiler room not outside tanks. Where the hot water is sent to other boilers around the plant such as rendering to supply steam to the cookers and keep the tallow melted and not clog up the lines it also feeds the presses that push product thru the rendering process to be seperated and sent to its various locations. Tallow goes to the tallow birds and sent to a seperate tank to later be shipped mainly in rail cars.

Those are not emergency parts places. IBT has a contract to supply parts to the plants around SW Ks. Curtis also supplies most of their gears and shafts for motors and gearboxes. Young Electric is there every weekend at Cargill as is Stovers (i think that is Nationals Contractor) at National. Those arent tokens to our other companies in town. It is 1 company helping another. Neil Shelton at Cargill was very instrumental in hirng Young Electric as its ONLY electrical contractor because of its local ties and availability. Since the Curtis deal has fell thru AGAIN National Beef is buying their own C&C machines and producing MORE jobs to make their own parts and it is a skilled position nto some average joe will get that position which will be in the old WW building along with the project crew.

Im glad you didnt like the meat and im sure since that was sucha bad experience you wont be buying any more hamburger from the stores around town or steaks. It comes from the same place.

I dont enjoy the meat either from the plants. If you ever get a chance and you are heading to Denver or Colorado Springs get off on the I70 and 24 junction in Limon Colorado and eat at the McDonalds, Arbys, Dennys or the truck stop. They have a plant there that only kills cattle that are organic grain fed, no antibiotics or steroids and it will blow you away th purity of the meat. The meat is then sent to its processing plant in Denver and distributed from there. Incredible and that how meat should be.

Just wanted to throw in the last statement.

Dodge needs the money and the employment offered by both plants.

I understand the operation of a packing plant alot more than you think! There is no way you can use contaminated water, except to maybe wash down the pens, or something to that effect. If you are using wastewater to process the "food product", then it must be treated by numerous processes, plus sanitized and sterilized; all of which costs money! Now, it is a possibility that they could be using the RO reject water for processing, however it would have alot of mineral impurities in it.

Also, very familiar with Coleman Natural Products in Colorado.

As for suppliers, yep they probably buy a token amount, as I already said; however the main amount comes from out of town!

As for meat, I either raise my own or buy from friends. One trip through a packing plant will convince you of that scenario!