Illegal aliens murder

[Army_of_One]

I believe that while the numbers are not EXACT, which they will never be because illegals are here...well illegally and "under the radar" therefore it's hard to count or account for all of them and their actions. I believe the point of the article was to show that a portion of our crime and deaths come from illegals.

You cannot argue that the Dems have done everything from point out that the war was already lost to defunding the troops yet want to hand out drivers license's to illegals and open our doors to them. It's not a cheap shot by any means, it is the truth. I will also submit that Bush hasn't done a whole lot either to secure our borders which is disappointing to me but if you look at the largest sanctuary cities that are friendly to illegals they are Dem controlled area's. The area's that are "cracking down" on illegals and such like Oklahoma are Republican area's.

[spike52]

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

I believe that while the numbers are not EXACT, which they will never be because illegals are here...well illegally and "under the radar" therefore it's hard to count or account for all of them and their actions. I believe the point of the article was to show that a portion of our crime and deaths come from illegals.

It's no brainer, illegals commit crimes, now what??
I just love the scary heading on the article.
More useless fear tactics from the right.

Originally Posted by Army

You cannot argue that the Dems have done everything from point out that the war was already lost to defunding the troops yet want to hand out drivers license's to illegals and open our doors to them.

It's not the "Dems" who think the war is lost, it's the public.
Iraq
Americans have lost faith in Dumbya, bottom line..
The "war on terror" has become a mere occupation at this point, we let Afghanistan slip away & to date we can't find the guy who ACTUALLY was responsible for 9/11...
In checking the scorecard, looks like a unanimous decision

Lemme ask you Army, how do we achieve victory in Iraq???

Originally Posted by Army

It's not a cheap shot by any means, it is the truth. I will also submit that Bush hasn't done a whole lot either to secure our borders which is disappointing to me but if you look at the largest sanctuary cities that are friendly to illegals they are Dem controlled area's.

Huh?
What about San Diego, Phoenix..

The area's that are "cracking down" on illegals and such like Oklahoma are Republican area's.

Common sense says stop them before the reach the midwest.
What about Texas & Cali..
Who's is charge in the two biggest "sanctury states"??

[Highwayman]

More useless fear tactics from the right.

As if the left never uses fear tactics. Healthcare crisis, global warming crisis, agenda-of-the-day crisis, starving old folks and throwing kids out on the street. Or was it starving kids and throwing old folks out on the street. I think the left invented scare tactics because their agenda doesn’t stand up common sense.

It's not the "Dems" who think the war is lost, it's the public.

No Spike, it’s the Dems. Their constant yapping about defeat in spite of evidence to the contrary and the left-wing MSM being about six months behind reporting the real progress doesn’t help public opinion. But opinions are shifting. As expected, the Dems are behind the curve in what’s really going on.

U.S. Troop Surge in Iraq Receives a Bit More Credit

Americans have lost faith in Dumbya, bottom line..

You really should be more worried about what people think about your do-nothing Democrat Congress since they’re 15 points behind Bush.

Update on Ratings of Bush, Congress

[spike52]

Originally Posted by Highwayman

As if the left never uses fear tactics. Healthcare crisis, global warming crisis, agenda-of-the-day crisis, starving old folks and throwing kids out on the street. Or was it starving kids and throwing old folks out on the street. I think the left invented scare tactics because their agenda doesn’t stand up common sense.

I never said the left doesn't take part.
They're politicians, of course.
I was merely pointing out the ridiculous wording in the title.
It's all about the flavor of the month in politics I guess..
Like now, with Iran ..

Originally Posted by Highway

No Spike, it’s the Dems. Their constant yapping about defeat in spite of evidence to the contrary and the left-wing MSM being about six months behind reporting the real progress doesn’t help public opinion. But opinions are shifting. As expected, the Dems are behind the curve in what’s really going on.

"evidence to the contrary...."

What, because less people are dying by violence?
BFD..
Great, now they can starve to death.

Yea, things are just peachy.
http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0...7?opendocument

Add to that corrupt politicians.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

Millions lost or wasted..
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...40802120070131

We've been there for over 4 years..
We still heven't defeated the "terrorists", we can't find OBL and the only serious export Iraq has (oil) keeps disappearing..
U.S. GAO - Summary
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/12/wo.../12oil.html?hp

from your link:
"The percentage saying it was a mistake to send U.S. troops to Iraq in the first place remains virtually unchanged, at 57%"

Hhhmm....
57% you say??

Originally Posted by Highway

You really should be more worried about what people think about your do-nothing Democrat Congress since they’re 15 points behind Bush.

My Congress..
You renounce your citizenship or sumptin'???

[Highwayman]

Originally Posted by spike52

What, because less people are dying by violence?
BFD..

If it’s in your neighborhood, it is a BFD.

Originally Posted by spike52

Yea, things are just peachy.
http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0...7?opendocument

The webpage cannot be found

Originally Posted by spike52

Add to that corrupt politicians.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

We are unable to locate the page you requested.

Originally Posted by spike52

Millions lost or wasted..
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...40802120070131

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Impressive.

Originally Posted by spike52

from your link:
"The percentage saying it was a mistake to send U.S. troops to Iraq in the first place remains virtually unchanged, at 57%"

Hhhmm....
57% you say??

Unchanged from last month maybe. If you look on page 3 for March of 2003 it says 23% thought it was a mistake and 75% didn’t. That’s like asking a divorced guy if he thought marrying his ex was a good idea before the wedding and again after the divorce. It just shows that public opinion shifted after the constant bias reporting from the MSM. You may also want to review the link in my sig line.

Originally Posted by spike52

My Congress..
You renounce your citizenship or sumptin'???

Back to the subject of illegal aliens, I’m thinking about it. If the Dems get the White House and Congress our taxes will go up, the economy will go into the toilet and our gun rights will meaningless. I figure I’ll just slip into Mexico, renounce my citizenship and sneak back in. Being unencumbered with the responsibilities of citizenship I can suck up on all the social programs that will be expanding. With the savings of not having to pay taxes, buy insurance or worry about any proper paperwork I should be able to work a few odd jobs for cash and trade my old truck in for a nice SUV with fancy wheels and a cool sound system.

[K C Muffin]

The only good thing about allowing illegal aliens to register and stay here is that it will document them and immediately allow them to sign up for the armed forces. That will keep a draft from our front door for a couple more years. But I still hate invaders from the south. Oh, yeah - and they'll have to pay the same taxes I do.

[spike52]

Originally Posted by Highwayman

If it’s in your neighborhood, it is a BFD.

The point was that civilians are still dying from violence, it's only since the "surge' have the numbers of dead people declined.
And that's after some of the deadliest months since we started the occupation, over four years ago.
And the million dollar questions..
How long do we continue this surge & what happens after it??
Success you say?
Where, in what form?
The Iraqi military, nope.
The Iraqi police, nope.
The Iraqi guvmint, nope.
Oil, NOPE.

And Highway, just for laughs, list some of the accomplishments in Iraq..

Originally Posted by Highway

Unchanged from last month maybe. If you look on page 3 for March of 2003 it says 23% thought it was a mistake and 75% didn’t. That’s like asking a divorced guy if he thought marrying his ex was a good idea before the wedding and again after the divorce. It just shows that public opinion shifted after the constant bias reporting from the MSM. You may also want to review the link in my sig line.

No, that graph goes to show Americans slowly realized that Dumbya went into Iraq with no real plan of winning and/or exiting.
And of course, what does the right do, blame it on that tricky "librul media".
Bottom line, Amercians have lost faith in the Adminstration.
Dumbya should have taken Cheneys advice from back in the Bush I days..

from Dick:
"I would guess if we had gone in there, I would still have forces in Baghdad today. We'd be running the country. We would not have been able to get everybody out and bring everybody home.

And the final point that I think needs to be made is this question of casualties. I don't think you could have done all of that without significant additional U.S. casualties, and while everybody was tremendously impressed with the low cost of the (1991) conflict, for the 146 Americans who were killed in action and for their families, it wasn't a cheap war.

And the question in my mind is, how many additional American casualties is Saddam (Hussein) worth? And the answer is, not that damned many. So, I think we got it right, both when we decided to expel him from Kuwait, but also when the President made the decision that we'd achieved our objectives and we were not going to go get bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq."

Originally Posted by Highway

Back to the subject of illegal aliens, I’m thinking about it. If the Dems get the White House and Congress our taxes will go up, the economy will go into the toilet and our gun rights will meaningless.

Uh, oh..
Here comes the scare tactics.
Gun rights?
There have been dems in power before, and I STILL have my guns.
Hey while you're at it, don't forget the gays & abortions..
Oooooooooooo........scary.

Originally Posted by Highway

I figure I’ll just slip into Mexico, renounce my citizenship and sneak back in. Being unencumbered with the responsibilities of citizenship I can suck up on all the social programs that will be expanding. With the savings of not having to pay taxes, buy insurance or worry about any proper paperwork I should be able to work a few odd jobs for cash and trade my old truck in for a nice SUV with fancy wheels and a cool sound system.

Sounds good.
Don't drink the water..


Dumbya approval rating..

[spike52]

For Highway..


Yea, things are just peachy..


Iraq: civilians without protection

Add to that corrupt politicians..

Shhh . . . There Is Corruption in Iraq - washingtonpost.com

Billion dollars of equipment MIA..

$1B In Military Equipment Missing In Iraq, Exclusive: Report Shows Vehicles, Machine Guns And More Meant For Iraqi Forces Unaccounted For - CBS News


Finally, the only serious export Iraq has keeps dissappearing..

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/12/wo...in&oref=slogin

Originally Posted by High

You may also want to review the link in my sig line.

Nice unbiased media outlet.
You sir, are a hypocrite.
You owe me 30 seconds of my life.
I think alot of those "quotes" were addressed below.

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Weapons of Mass Destruction Quotes

[jeezeweeze]

I had an email today with a YOUTUBE link and found it chilling. I checked the other videos also.

This "could" be the reason the border is never going to be fenced.

Check out the other videos ............

IMHO we are so fu*ked and I don't think there is a politician that cares about America anymore. I hate to sound like a doomsday Prophet but how else can you explain mess that none of us have a handle on.

Please don't kill the messenger, just consider it for what its worth, and draw your own conclusions.

Personally I feel so sad that all this is happening, and maybe its for the good of all, How do we know ? Its so baffling and too much to process.

YouTube - NAFTA superhighway has begun! We need to stop this!

[Highwayman]

Originally Posted by spike52

How long do we continue this surge & what happens after it??
Success you say?
Where, in what form?
The Iraqi military, nope.
The Iraqi police, nope.
The Iraqi guvmint, nope.
Oil, NOPE.

While you were still wallowing in the past the drawdown has already started.

Originally Posted by spike52

And Highway, just for laughs, list some of the accomplishments in Iraq..

There are plenty of success stories and reports about the transfer of control from coalition forces to Iraqi forces here.

Multi-National Force - Iraq - Home

Originally Posted by spike52

Uh, oh..
Here comes the scare tactics.
Gun rights?
There have been dems in power before, and I STILL have my guns.
Hey while you're at it, don't forget the gays & abortions..
Oooooooooooo........scary.

All I do is look at the bills that Democrats introduce and figure that a Democrat president will arm twist to get the votes to pass them. The AWB was passed by one vote after Clinton twisted some arms so we’ve seen this happen before.

Originally Posted by spike52

Dumbya approval rating..

Go ahead and remind us again how Bush’s approval rating it almost twice as high as your Democrats.

Originally Posted by spike52

You sir, are a hypocrite.

Sticks and stones.

Originally Posted by spike52

No, that graph goes to show Americans slowly realized that Dumbya went into Iraq with no real plan of winning and/or exiting.

Bottom line, Amercians have lost faith in the Adminstration.

Originally Posted by spike52

I think alot of those "quotes" were addressed below.

You and snopes are sidestepping the issue. Prior to the war all major Democrats claimed Saddam had WMDs. Later folks like yourself and the liberal media started the “Bush lied” campaign. The media reported only the worst things while ignoring the good that happened. The general public was influenced in a negative way.

And this crap about Bush not having a plan for everything that wasn’t expected is like attacking FDR for not having detailed plans for D-Day when he took us to war against Germany, a country that had not attacked us.

And if you think that Democrats are going to fix the illegal problem you’re delusional.