Up In Smoke

[Detector]

The non smokers were putting out 'X' more work.

According to study you seem to be the exception to the rule. But then we often see only what we're looking for.

What we don't see, even though it's been in every smoking study including the Surgeon General's, is some of the benefits of smoking.

Smoking lowers Parkinson's disease risk

Impact of Smoking on Clinical and Angiographic Restenosis After Percutaneous Coronary Intervention

Severe Gum Recession, Less Of A Risk For Smokers

Twin Study Supports Protective Effect of Smoking For Parkinson's Disease

Does tobacco smoke prevent atopic disorders? A study of two generations of Swedish residents

Shocker: 'Villain' nicotine slays TB

Carbon Monoxide May Alleviate Heart Attacks And Stroke

Smoking Prevents Rare Skin Cancer

Smoking Reduces The Risk Of Breast Cancer

Nitric oxide mediates a therapeutic effect of nicotine in ulcerative colitis

Effects of Transdermal Nicotine on Cognitive Performance in Down's Syndrome

Nicotine Benefits

Parkinson's Disease Is Associated With Non-smoking

Research indicating that nicotine holds potential for non-surgical heart by-pass procedures honored by the american college of cardiology

Smoking Your Way to Good Health

Does maternal smoking hinder mother-child transmission of Helicobacter pylori infection?

Risk of papillary thyroid cancer in women in relation to smoking and alcohol consumption.

Urinary Cotinine Concentration Confirms the Reduced Risk of Preeclampsia with Tobacco Exposure

Smokers have reduced risks of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease

The Puzzling Association between Smoking and Hypertension during Pregnancy

Smoking: Protection Against Neural Tube Defects?

[K C Muffin]

I understand these benefits are real, but when our smokers take 45 minutes or an hour away from their desk, they simply arent able to produce as much as the nonsmokers. Even adding the 30-minutes to their day doesn't catch it. Cept my newbie. He was quite a catch. I just wish he'd quit smoking. Cuz when he comes into my office with a question, the smoke odor just about kills me! It's on his breath and because he's smoking with a coat on, it's in his clothes. Yuk! Cute kid. But just can't stand the smell!

[wordsmythe]

Originally Posted by Highwayman

Did you ever see that commercial on TV for the Royal Bank of Scotland? It says “Less talk, more action.”

So four groups of people sat around complaining about having to wait. The restaurant still got your money. Try walking out, it sends a stronger message. It’s hard to take someone seriously that only complains and expects the government to take care of a perceived problem and is not willing to do something for themselves.

Well that would be a stupid thing to do.

We wanted Longhorn for dinner and they weren't outside of our rules.

The rules are if it's more than a 15 minute wait I'll leave. No matter where or why.

We had a nice group of people all waiting patiently discussing how to get a smoking ban in place and how great it is in Lawrence to not have to deal with it. All the while the manager standing there looking at the empty section wondering how to get someone in there so she could make it worth having the 3 servers standing aroudn waiting for us.

When we left, the Health risk section had a single table and the waiting area was full.

That makes an impact as well.

[wordsmythe]

Originally Posted by Detector

According to study you seem to be the exception to the rule. But then we often see only what we're looking for.

What we don't see, even though it's been in every smoking study including the Surgeon General's, is some of the benefits of smoking.

Smoking lowers Parkinson's disease risk

Impact of Smoking on Clinical and Angiographic Restenosis After Percutaneous Coronary Intervention

Severe Gum Recession, Less Of A Risk For Smokers

Twin Study Supports Protective Effect of Smoking For Parkinson's Disease

Does tobacco smoke prevent atopic disorders? A study of two generations of Swedish residents

Shocker: 'Villain' nicotine slays TB

Carbon Monoxide May Alleviate Heart Attacks And Stroke

Smoking Prevents Rare Skin Cancer

Smoking Reduces The Risk Of Breast Cancer

Nitric oxide mediates a therapeutic effect of nicotine in ulcerative colitis

Effects of Transdermal Nicotine on Cognitive Performance in Down's Syndrome

Nicotine Benefits

Parkinson's Disease Is Associated With Non-smoking

Research indicating that nicotine holds potential for non-surgical heart by-pass procedures honored by the american college of cardiology

Smoking Your Way to Good Health

Does maternal smoking hinder mother-child transmission of Helicobacter pylori infection?

Risk of papillary thyroid cancer in women in relation to smoking and alcohol consumption.

Urinary Cotinine Concentration Confirms the Reduced Risk of Preeclampsia with Tobacco Exposure

Smokers have reduced risks of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease

The Puzzling Association between Smoking and Hypertension during Pregnancy

Smoking: Protection Against Neural Tube Defects?

All very interesting.

You can kill a bee on your head by hitting it with a hammer but the damage it does isn't really worth it.

[TrueRomance1211]

But I agree with Detector.

Look, the smoking ban is a bad idea on so many levels. Here are just a few:
1) There are much more important issues that the City should be looking at-let's focus on getting the big things right first, shall we? This issue shouldn't even be on the table and is a distraction.
2) If safety is the issue, let's go after obesity and alcohol. Those are the big issues.
3) The science is fuzzy on the danger of smoking to smokers. The second hand smoke issue is even fuzzier. Just think about it-why don't we all have lung cancer? The 20th Century had more smokers in the U.S. than in any other time...if it is so dangerous, where are the dead?
4) The government has no reason to intervene here. The law infringes on the rights of businesses (especially bars but also clubs and such) to do their business. If I can't smoke at my favorite bar, I'm going to smoke somewhere else-and I'll drink there too.
5) Even if this law is passed, who is going to enforce it? The police don't enforce many of the laws that we have now. Many of these laws are in court being contested or are simply not enforced at the local level.

In short, people need to speak up about this at the meetings and call their favorite Commish. Why are we wasting time on a law that will hurt businesses and will not be enforced anyway?

[357 mag]

Great Point and welcome to the board!

[wordsmythe]

Originally Posted by TrueRomance1211

But I agree with Detector.

Look, the smoking ban is a bad idea on so many levels. Here are just a few:
1) There are much more important issues that the City should be looking at-let's focus on getting the big things right first, shall we? This issue shouldn't even be on the table and is a distraction.
2) If safety is the issue, let's go after obesity and alcohol. Those are the big issues.
3) The science is fuzzy on the danger of smoking to smokers. The second hand smoke issue is even fuzzier. Just think about it-why don't we all have lung cancer? The 20th Century had more smokers in the U.S. than in any other time...if it is so dangerous, where are the dead?
4) The government has no reason to intervene here. The law infringes on the rights of businesses (especially bars but also clubs and such) to do their business. If I can't smoke at my favorite bar, I'm going to smoke somewhere else-and I'll drink there too.
5) Even if this law is passed, who is going to enforce it? The police don't enforce many of the laws that we have now. Many of these laws are in court being contested or are simply not enforced at the local level.

In short, people need to speak up about this at the meetings and call their favorite Commish. Why are we wasting time on a law that will hurt businesses and will not be enforced anyway?

Interesting first post.

To be wrong on so many levels... well let's just say you'll fit right in with the majority of the posters on this board.

Welcome.

[whoknows]

I was raised in a smoke-filled house, and now wonder how it was the my friends could stand the smell around me. Could be that the majority of them also lived in smoker's homes. I can now smell a smoker or their belongings in my vicinity.
Maybe you'd have a different take on the whole thing if one of your parent's died from lung cancer...................due to smoking.

[JayhawkMom]

Originally Posted by whoknows

I was raised in a smoke-filled house, and now wonder how it was the my friends could stand the smell around me. Could be that the majority of them also lived in smoker's homes. I can now smell a smoker or their belongings in my vicinity.
Maybe you'd have a different take on the whole thing if one of your parent's died from lung cancer...................due to smoking.

My father smoked his whole life, and died at 86, NOT from lung cancer.

Point being, tobacco is a LEGAL substance. Each time a smoker buys a pack of cigarettes, they are paying taxes that would otherwise come out of everyone's pocket. If people are that fed up with tobacco and smokers, make it ILLEGAL. Until it's ILLEGAL, people have a right to choose to smoke, businesses have a right to chose to allow smoking and the city/county/state/federal government should allow the business owner to decide how to run his/her business.

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by whoknows

...Maybe you'd have a different take on the whole thing if one of your parent's died from lung cancer...................due to smoking.

But that is the smoker's choice, knowing the risk. That isn't the right of others or the government, at least it shouldn't be. As a non-smoker, I still believe it is the right of the business owner to decide if they want to allow smoking in their business. I have the right to not go in and spend my money in that business if they do.