Judgment to lead

[88-31-10]

Originally Posted by Flying Dutchman

I blame the market for the increase. The oil companies do not set the price of oil, Wall Street does. Now, they do not mind the prices.....b ut they do not control them. As for Bush and Cheney having ties to oil............you might also want to check how many other politicians have ties also.

Again, as far as Iraq is concerned, that will either eventually show Bush's admin as doing the right thing, or the worst thing. Right now it is hard for me to say. The war on terrorism, though, I do not feel is Bush's fault or something he screwed up. They declared "war" on us long before he took office. It took 9/11 for us to figure out they meant business. He may have made some bad decisions and mistakes on certain stratagies....but I do not think he is to blame FOR the war. Just an opinion is all.

I am not blaming him FOR the war on terrorism. I am blaming him FOR mucking up the war on terrorism.

[JayhawkMom]

Ya know........they tell me the guy at the top gets stuck with the crap.....no matter what happened, or didn't happen, W is the guy at the top. The buck stops with him.....if it's good, he's the hero. If it's bad, he's the one who takes the hit........that's why he's the President. Life sucks, but that's the way it is. Right or wrong, he gets the blame. That's why we pay him the big bucks (so to speak).

[88-31-10]

Originally Posted by JayhawkMom

Ya know........they tell me the guy at the top gets stuck with the crap.....no matter what happened, or didn't happen, W is the guy at the top. The buck stops with him.....if it's good, he's the hero. If it's bad, he's the one who takes the hit........that's why he's the President. Life sucks, but that's the way it is. Right or wrong, he gets the blame. That's why we pay him the big bucks (so to speak).

Exactly!! Everything rotten that happened from 1992-2000 is blamed on Clinton. Now it's dummy's turn.

[Flying Dutchman]

Thank you 88 for explaining your position.

Hawk, I am in total agreement with your statement and appreciate you answering the questions also.

[88-31-10]

Originally Posted by Flying Dutchman

Thank you 88 for explaining your position.

Hawk, I am in total agreement with your statement and appreciate you answering the questions also.

Your welcome. My position is Bush is a moron.

[Flying Dutchman]

Really 88? There is no way at all i would have even remotely thought that. lol

He does have some cute daughters though.

[88-31-10]

Originally Posted by Flying Dutchman

Really 88? There is no way at all i would have even remotely thought that. lol

He does have some cute daughters though.

Now that we can agree on!!!

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by JayhawkMom

Point is......you simply cannot admit that he's a lousy President. You nor Army........I see why Army can't admit it....he's paid by the guy.

Yes, I'm a Democrat......but even I can admit that Jimmy Carter sucked as a President........and maybe Obama will too...that's yet to be seen. But if he screwed this Country up as much as W has, I think I'd be woman enough to admit it and go on......not continue to defend someone who's not worth defending.

Why do you have to drag me into this fray? 1st and foremost military OVERWHELMING vote Republican. Why do you think that is JHM?

ANYONE can admit Jimmy Carter sucked as a President, how hard is that. Double digit inflation and 9% unemployment makes his suck factor pretty high..not to mention he let several of our citizens remain hostages for a LONG time....Thank God we had a Republican come in afterwords... Can you admit Bill Clinton sucked or even recognize the area's of his presidency where he came up "short".

I guess everyone has a different idea of what "screwed up" is in terms of where are country stands. Personally I think we are going through some difficult times in some area's but we are not totally "screwed up" as you and the Reverend Wright like to say. (are you hanging with him now?) Our great country has been at war a few times and it's NEVER popular. There are 100 different ways to fight a war with ZERO of them being perfect. President Bush AND his ADVISORS chose a path to follow. It's WAY to early to measure success as Dutch stated. 15 years from now Pres Bush COULD be hailed as a hero with a vision...OR he could be a goat and go down as one of the worst presidents in history along with Carter and Clinton. You have to have a LITTLE forsight and not fall into the "immediate gratification" line. Iraq, along with the war on terror is going to take time.

In my warped little mind, ONE measure of success or failure is what's going on HERE in our country. There are terrorist IN our country as we type. They MAY be planning attacks but SO FAR there hasn't been ANY attacks since 9/11 although there have been some major ones thwarted. Personally, I would measure that as a success. Do YOU think THEY would kill more people if they could? I do. When a dirty bomb goes off in times square during new years eve..then I would say we are unsuccessful...but right now we are defending the homeland. COuld it be better? Absolutely.

I agree with Dutch on the economy. BUT...first of all...it's NOT THAT BAD...get your face OUT of the liberal media and see for yourself. It's bad IN PLACES but there are places that are moving forward and growing. SOME industries (BESIDES OIL) are showing profits. Companies are still hiring. (I just met with a temp service rep here this week who is out trying to FIND people to fill job spots...said he had DOZENS OF THEM) Unemployment is still reletively low (lower than it was under Clinton and WAY lower than under Carter), the stock market is doing ok. Oil and grain prices are hurting us. The grain prices being high is a self inflicted would due to the "ethonal craze". There ARE a lot of people losing their houses but there are more that aren't. I'm not losing my house and you are not losing yours. WHY? Because you didn't buy something you couldn't afford. How is that Bush's fault?

[K C Muffin]

I would have to agree with you, AOO - I believe the skyrocketing price of oil is due to a number of greedy business people who believe in the "freedom" of the American People - you know: the freedom to drive one per car 30 minutes or more to work or drive home during the lunch hour (30 Minutes each way) just to get a sandwich, when sandwiches are available next door to the office, but it costs $2.00. The freedom of people to drive one per car 50 minutes or an hour (more during rush hour) to meet four other buddies (who also drove one per car) to see a ball game, when it would have cost nothing except the beer to stay home and watch the same game on TV.

We all make choices and it's good business for the oil companies to dial into those choices and make us pay for them. We had layoffs in our office last summer and have sung the blues ever since. I just hired 3 newbies on my team - one was hired simply because she was out of a job and we didn't want her to go to a competitor. Don't tell me jobs aren't out there for the right people doing the right things.

Yep, this economy is a drag, but all we have to do is muddle through to the other side of the clouds to see the rainbow. It's there - we're being spoon-fed too many dark clouds to see through them. We are a proud people. Proud people don't point the finger of blame. They continue doing what they're doing to make it better.

(do I hear Lee Greenwood in the background?)