First pictures of the protest

[TexKan]

According to CNN and DA King..... and others........ It is not a felony to come over illegeally...... it is indeed a misdomeaner........... ALTHO........ when you are deported for whatever reason...... when you reenter....... it is a felony........... and the mere act of commin in illegally.........makes you a criminal............ you get to be a bigger criminal when you come in after being deported............. There are laws already on the books - they just need enforcin............. I think pretty soon some citizens are gonna help the enforecement on thier own.......... it's only a matter of time......... mainly because the shear # of protestors is disrespectful, arrogant, and the majority they are marching for is illegeal................. just wait and see....... it's gonna be at your front door before you know it..........

[Detector]

The right to associate and protest in this country is paramount, that's all. The reason why one protest can and is often open for disagreement.

I'll agree, but its not the right to protest thats in question. Although thats how its trying to be portrayed. Using the *cough* Rev. Phelps as an example, his "right to protest" is coming to an end because of the reasons and consequences behind the protest. I would expect the same results if I expressed my right to protest in favor of amnesty for all terrorist.

They're criminals in the same sense any one of us when we exceed the posted speed limit or rush a yellow light only to have it turn red just as get there and go through it.

And if I continue to speed I will be punished by loosing my right to drive. Their crime is not limited to them entering the country illegally but every day they remain here undocumented they are breaking the law. Continually breaking the law, no matter how insignificant you might feel it is, does in fact make you a criminal.

I think the biggest issue that impact most taxpayers is the education issue but those in charge of education can't seem to get johnny to write a complete sentence and do a multiplication table, how the hell can they assimilate a strategy for educating immigrants?

Again I agree. In fact I think the biggest problem with immigration is thanks in part to education and teachers. Most had good intentions when supporting immigrants right to not assimilate but it seems they put little thought into it or were only seeing $$$$. Local business is just about as much at fault.

Studies have shown that an immigrants hopes for a better life are shattered by not adapting/assimilating into American society. Not only is speaking English a requirement to survive in America, speaking good English is a must to prosper. These people that have done their best to convince immigrants they don't need to learn English have sentenced them to a life of cleaning toilets.

Now if your the owner of a toilet cleaning company then you've done what most small businesses do by going for the quick buck and saying to heck with the consequences. If you really care about immigrants making a better life for themselves then advise them to arm themselves at least with the most basic tool needed to survive. ENGLISH.

Everywhere you go, in dodge anyway, you see signs posted in English and Spanish. Not only does it cost the store owner twice as much, which by the way is passed on to the customer, it encourages non English speaking immigrants to not learn the language. Businesses that put bilingual as a top priority in hiring are also helping to encourage the no-need-to-learn-English problem. Oh course they're only after the quick buck anyway and to heck with the consequences.

Well guess what? time to pay the piper. Its consequence time. Unfortunately, its going to be the immigrant that pays the price.

[Highwayman]

Originally Posted by Outofdodge

...Some, even most, of the protestors may be in this country illegally. However the their *crime* from a punishment standpoint is similar to a traffic citation, it's primarily a civil punishment in most cases. They're criminals in the same sense any one of us when we exceed the posted speed limit or rush a yellow light only to have it turn red just as get there and go through it. Only they don't get a fine, they get sent back. Albeit only in many cases to try again....

If all the “victims” of traffic citations staged a protest demanding amnesty for their crimes and reduced rates on their auto insurance do you think they would get anywhere with it?

[Outofdodge]

Originally Posted by Detector

I'll agree, but its not the right to protest thats in question. Although thats how its trying to be portrayed. Using the *cough* Rev. Phelps as an example, [snip]Everywhere you go,

The right to protest to get a law changed is paramount and like it or not, they had that "right." There is no comparison to Mr. Phelps (calling him rev should be a sin), he is supporting a theology unsupported biblically and he is harrassing innocent people who have already suffered enough. Mr. Phelps is a Dick. Now if he wants to advance his warped theology by protesting at the US capital then he has that right IMO.

Originally Posted by Detector

in dodge anyway, you see signs posted in English and Spanish. Not only does it cost the store owner twice as much, which by the way is passed on to the customer, it encourages non English speaking immigrants to not learn the language. Businesses that put bilingual as a top priority in hiring are also helping to encourage the no-need-to-learn-English problem.

It isn't just Dodge City, I spent much of my life in Florida with its' Cuban/Latin population I was pretty use to seeing dual language signs.

Originally Posted by Dector

Oh course they're only after the quick buck anyway and to heck with the consequences.

Now you're thinking like a good liberal From lurking here for some time I would guess some of the regulars here would support business normally doing what it takes to make a quick buck.

[Outofdodge]

Originally Posted by Highwayman

If all the “victims” of traffic citations staged a protest demanding amnesty for their crimes and reduced rates on their auto insurance do you think they would get anywhere with it?

Getting anywhere with it and protesting are two separate things. I am only addressing the countless 'how or why can they do this' lament. They can do it because it is their right. Just because they protest does not mean that they should or could get what they want. They could do more damage to themselves however they took this approach and now have to accept the consequences of their approach.

But to address someone else's post about traffic citations, I made at least 5 trips to Wichita a month from Dodge for three years. Outside of the various small towns and such my cruise was set at 68-69mph in the 60mph zones and only once got pulled over and given a warning. And lets not even talk about 14th, Camanche and the bypass with their underset speed limits. I reckon I'm a criminal too?

[TheWizzard]

I agree that they have a right to protest. Those rights are why they want to be here and Im proud of that. The part that upsets ( nicest word i can think of) is that "they" think they deserve " rights" that will turn something illegal into legal. We have been too tollerant for too long. When it comes to signs being in spanish and english and everything else for that matter, you are right, it is too easy for them NOT to learn english. I could not imagine living in a place where I could not talk or understand my childrens teachers or doctors. They do it because they can, because we will conform for them. How does that saying go... Give them an inch, they will take a mile.

[Detector]

Again, no one is questioning their right to protest, only, as with Phelps, the motive behind it. And again, it all depends on where you stand on the issue whether you see people breaking the law or not. It looks as though most Americans DO view it as breaking the law, a crime and hence criminals.

I don't think anyone would question an employee being fired for walking out of work to support a Phelps protest. Well, probably the union but thats a whole other can of worms.

A criminal is not defined by the severity of the crime but that a crime was committed.

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crim·i·nal [ krímmin'l ]
noun (plural crim·i·nals)Definitions: somebody acting illegally: somebody who has committed a crime
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crime [ krīm ] (plural crimes)
noun Definitions:
1. illegal act: an action prohibited by law or a failure to act as required by law
2. illegal activity: activity that involves breaking the law
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So spin it however you like its still an issue about crime and criminals and not immigration.

Take a look around Americas not buying the Innocent immigrants looking for a better life ploy. The fact remains these people have chosen to ignore/evade the legal process thats there for a reason. The very reason we have the problem of what to do with all the illegals now. If the issue is not addressed and in the proper manor it will only happen again.

First and foremost is to SECURE THE BOARDER NOW, talk about how to deal with the immigrant after the boarder is secure.

And if you really want to talk about immigration rights how about all the immigrants that went through the process legally? Do you think its fair that these illegal immigrants should be rewarded for acting illegally? You know how they must feel to have people breaking the law and jumping in front of the line, and then have almost every American Latino support their right to cut in line? What kind of message does that send to future immigrants?

I remember what it was like to have someone cut in line at school. They were always the biggest jerks anyway.

And lets be honest here. I don't think any traffic citation will ever become a felony so to comparing it to illegally entering the country is a bit out there. Also all this stink came from America feeling a need to make the crime a felony. I would say that says America does feel it is a serious crime. Far from a speed ticket.

[Outofdodge]

Originally Posted by Detector

Again, no one is questioning their right to protest, [snip]It looks as though most Americans DO view it as breaking the law, a crime and hence criminals.

There we will disagree, I read the posts as to questioning their right. Maybe I read it wrong and it's more like a "how dare they?". As to most Americans viewing it as a crime, well we can probably both cite examples where *where most Americans* think something and we thought they were wrong.

Originally Posted by detector

A criminal is not defined by the severity of the crime but that a crime was committed.

I guess I'm a criminal then. I suspects there's a lot like me.

Originally Posted by detector

Take a look around Americas not buying the Innocent immigrants looking for a better life ploy. The fact remains these people have chosen to ignore/evade the legal process thats there for a reason. The very reason we have the problem of what to do with all the illegals now. If the issue is not addressed and in the proper manor it will only happen again

First and foremost is to SECURE THE BOARDER NOW, .

The hypocrisy and complicity of the various governments are nuts in this affair. If the US treated the folks who cross the border the same the Mexican government treats central american refuges crossing their border there would be constant crap. I have my opinion on this whole mess too and it;s probably not as pro-imigration and some might thing but sealing the border doesn't stop the Asians stowed away in containers nor does it stop Haitians. Think of the disparate treatment. Cuba opens it's jails amongst a flood of other law abiding citizens and we take them all, while Hatians crossing a raft get sent back immediately after getting fed. For all the blather about illegal imigrant's lack of withholding taxes their money is helping to prop up the social security system and their substandard wages is helping to keep the costs of certain services down. Is it *right*? Not in my opinion.

Anyway too many conference calls at work today gives me too much time to play on PC. I'm off to Jeezee's neck of the woods to chase redfish, low country BBQ, she-crab soup, and otherwise create havoc from beufort to sanibel. Y'all play nice

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by Outofdodge

The right to protest to get a law changed is paramount and like it or not, they had that "right."......

Actually, if they are here illegally, they have no right to tell us how to run "OUR" country. People are missing the point about all of this....

It's NOT an immigration issue, it is an ILLEGAL immigration issue.

[Outofdodge]

[quote=Bubba]Actually, if they are here illegally, they have no right to tell us how to run "OUR" country. People are missing the point about all of this..QUOTE]

Read the flipping constitution sometime will ya? They had the right like it or nor. They aren't telling you or us how the run the damn country, not that we know how anyway. They were protesting what they saw as unfair treatment. Their unfairity might be my tough crap, but it is what it is.

Sheesh at least they didn't break windows of stores, steal TV's, or create other general havoc.

And if I am wrong, if they had arrested all the been here once before and caught therefore now a felon illegal immigrants guess what....they get the same rights you do including a government paid lawyer. Then again how many convicted criminals would have to be let out an overcrowded jail system to make room for them eh? Be careful what one wishes for, you might just get it.