Illegals serving Illegals: Indentity scheme uncovered in Dodge City

[Tee]

Need a new identity? Need a job at Excel or elswhere but not a legal citizen. We got them for sale here in Dodge City.

A federal inquiry has uncovered an apparent false document mill in Dodge City, resulting in the indictment of five Mexican nationals on a slew of federal charges related to the manufacture and sale of phony birth certificates and Social Security cards.

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How can you have a phony SSN with the technology we have today?

I just don't understand why we cannot implement a nation wide computer link with the social security administration for employers hiring prospective employees. The databases are already in place and bridging HR depts with the database for lookup and validation pruposes would quickly expose the fact that Jose Sanchez with SSN 555-55-5555 is currently working in 5 states concurrently. It would also catch bogus SSN's. As a computer tech, I could implement this search query system using SQL in less than 5 minutes. Not sure why the government, who have many more and smarter people than me on the payroll does not make this happen. Just ticks me off that we are still battling this problem when the solution seems so elementary.

Lets take the merchant services as an example. Every credit card machine checks your balance and the validity of the card upon every purchase you make. It is a little tiny $100-$200 machine that dials up or uses encrypted broadband to connect to Kansas BankCard System to run the check. THe database knows if you have money and how much. It won't let you spend money you don't have and it wont let you make up an account that doesn't exist. In the situation of the SSN's, the SSA already have the databases on every valid SSN. Why not provide read only encrypted access to the sytem that will crosscheck in the same fashion and require business with more than 5 employees to run such checks prior to employment.

Proposed plan...

Employers with more than 50 employees can opt to have a verification machine that costs around $150.00 or:
They do manual checks by calling 1-800-sssn-check and go through an automated system, enter your federal ID, enter the SSN and whalla, you get an authorization number to record on the W-4. The system should check to see if the SSN is valid and whether there are concurrent employment in other states that are currently active and reports back within milliseconds "approved" or "not approved" and then gives the hiring business an authorization number that they list on the I-9 or W-4 form for or new hire, for federal audits. For situations where people have more than one job, you speak to the operator and receive an exception code authorization number and it is noted in their file that they work more than one job in the same state. More than two exception codes trigger an alert to federal officials and is flagged on the businesses federal ID file.

Employers with less than 50 employees can use the automated system so as to save the 150.00 bucks.

Fine for hiring without a federal authorization number $5000.00 for first offense, $10,000 for second, ect.

Another thing that ticks me off...

Unlawful possession of five or more identity documents, indicative of intent to traffic such goods, is punishable by up to five years imprisonment.

So I can have 4 identities and be safe....?? More than ONE identity, (or ONE FALSE identity) should get you the 5 years.


We need to get tough on the businesses that attract illegal immigration to our nation by turning a blind eye, and we need to get tough on those criminals that thwart the system using counterfeit documents. Not just those that produce the documents but thsoe that seek, puchase and posess.

[tat2me82]

I completely agree. I don't understand why that system hasn't been in use. Thanks for the info

[WizardofOz]

That is a good suggestion. I think though the problem will be once it goes to congress for funding and SSA for implementation. Congress will undoubtedly argue over it being an intrusion in personal records, some liberals will decry it as racist, and some special interest groups will find ways to kill the proposals. They can't even get so far as building a fence and making stricter laws to keep "mexican nationals" out of the country illegally.

Remember, we need illegals to do the jobs Americans aren't willing to do....at least that is the message being thrown in our faces, and damn the expense of actual citizens who have their identity stolen or fighting the IRS over why they have unreported income at 5 different jobs.

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by WizardofOz

....Remember, we need illegals to do the jobs Americans aren't willing to do....

Funny how they never finish that sentence! The ending never makes it into the conversation....We need illegals to do the jobs American's aren't willing to do for slave wages.

[Made in the USA]

We need to get rid of all the "politicians", and put normal people up there to run the government!

[Detector]

Remember, we need illegals to do the jobs Americans aren't willing to do...

I'll finish it.

Remember, we need illegals to do the jobs Americans aren't willing to do and that is vote for these sleazy politicians.

This is all about money and votes. Businesses refuse to step up because, now that the Hispanic population is so high, they want the $$$. Politicians will not step up because, again the same reason, they want the votes.

This country is controlled by politicians and business not the people.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by Bubba

Funny how they never finish that sentence! The ending never makes it into the conversation....We need illegals to do the jobs American's aren't willing to do for slave wages.

Remember....Business's exist for one sole purpose...Profit! If there is cheap labor available they will take it. Right now the risk is less than the reward for business's to do that. Business's do have some responsibility to the public but overall it's all about the bottom line. I doubt if many business's will verify the documents unless they HAVE to by law because frankly they probably don't want to know. Ask a human resource manager at Excel how many illegals work out there...he will tell you none...because they haven't checked and they don't care.

[lurker]

One only needs to recall the industrialization of America and her importation of immigrant labor to build her things (such as railroads...)

Welpers, it goes farther back than our industrialization....

(Insert negro spiritual here.)