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Old 11-14-2006, 05:34 AM
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New Alcohol Plant

Artilce on Headlines of Globe this am on the alcohol plant that Harshberger and crew are backing. Don't these people realize that this kind of operation is "WATER INTENSIVE"??? Do we have a WATER SHORTAGE in this area?? And our tax money is going to help pay for us to run out of water?? And by the way, they won't use local firms as suppliers. I am very familiar with ICM!!
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Old 11-14-2006, 05:52 AM
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The onliest reason to promote ethanol is in anticipation of a total collapse of the mid-east oil consortium.
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Help me understand.....

Do they 'use' water (thereby using it up) or do they use the water in their process and turn it back via sewage? If the latter, can they be forced to purify the water and return it to the source?

Are they going to use a skilled labor force or will they pull from the same pool as XL? Labor factors may be a huge decision in where they locate - wages are very high even for unskilled labor on either coast, where the water would be more readily available.

The good thing is that it will be another employer. The bad thing is that they'll probably use up the natural resources and "import" more unskilled laborers.
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Old 11-14-2006, 11:37 AM
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Most of the water will be lost from evaporation. Steam lost from heating. Cooling water lost from evaporation. ICM sends in their own crew, uses their own suppliers, and normally--none is local.
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These kinds of plants are HIGHLY automated and are generally run by teams of about 8 people per shift.

They are specialized jobs though.
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Old 11-14-2006, 04:16 PM
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NO!! Texie and Weezie!! They do not hire "taste testers" in this type of alcohol plant!!
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Most of the water will be lost from evaporation. Steam lost from heating. Cooling water lost from evaporation. ICM sends in their own crew, uses their own suppliers, and normally--none is local.
Oh. I was hopin' I could find something good in it. Maybe the evaporation comes back in rain? Probly not....
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NO!! Texie and Weezie!! They do not hire "taste testers" in this type of alcohol plant!!
DANGIT.......
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Oh. I was hopin' I could find something good in it. Maybe the evaporation comes back in rain? Probly not....
Well, the good, is that it will use grain from farmers. And they can feed the spent mash back to the cattle in the feed lots. More available alcohol means less dependence on crude oil. However, if you study the situation, you actually use more energy in production of the alcohol than you really save by consuming the product. Anything we can do to lower dependence on foreign oil is good, but there are limitations.
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Feedlots aren't interested in the mash. It is ok for milk cows.
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