Brittian Troop Withdrawl

[The Drifter]

WOAH

Look, britain made the jewish state...right or wrong is up to your opinion, but it did stir up some trouble in the arab world by taking up their(palastinians) land. Britain left and we stuck around and decided we'd deal with the madness. If us sticking around and doin britains job makes us "good allies" then wouldnt your second statement about "Britian, the Netherlands, Lithuania or whatever country wants to pull their troops out of Iraq" and you not having ill will toward them...wouldnt that make them bad allies for not wanting to stick around with US? And regardless of how YOU want to spin it, we were stuck with our hand in a cookie jar...no one else was stickin around but we did.

About not caring what another country thinks about the US. I think it would be a good thing to care. I mean i don't really care all to much about what people think about me personally, but i definately don't want to make enemies so i watch what i do and say.

All is far from the true point of the thread but whatever...after thinking about it, America could prolly win this thing with just our troops, but it's gonna be tough. I think it would be good for those countries to stick around for some diplomatic help.


but i voted for a democrat so i'm a terrorist...what do i know anyway.

[Flying Dutchman]

"hands in the cookie jar" implies something wrong, hence the term. "Holding the bag" would be more appropriate, if that is what your teacher had said. If your teacher said the first statement, then that implies that your teacher has the opinion that it is wrong for Isreal to exist. I am sure the Arab countries were/are pissed about it, but they would be pissed about anything so it doesn't matter. Maybe my opinion is wrong but I get that your teacher, instead of teaching relevant facts, was teaching his/her opinion instead, which is wrong. They give the impression that we deserve whatever hatred comes from the Arab countries. Now if you want to accept that, go ahead. I personally think they can all piss up a rope.

As for Britian leaving Isreal........I could care less and do not think they abbandoned us. What help could they give that we do not give already? Hell, that country can't even figure out how to deal with Ireland and think Madonna is a goddess. I mean the singer, not the religious one. If Isreal were to be attacked by another country, and not some terrorist group, I think Britian would help and come to their aid if needed.

I do care what other countries think about us. I am just not willing to kiss their asses to make them happy, nor am I willing to apologize for having the best damn country on this planet. We are the youngest country, and the strongest and other countries do not like it. They bitch when we get involved, they bitch if we don't. They take the contributions and charity we give, then expect us to give more and complain if we don't. How much did our country and our people give for the tsunami victims and countries? How much did the rest of the world? How much did they give for our victims of Katrina? How many of them dipped into their oil reserves to help us out? Now, do I expect them to do this? No I do not.
Ask me if i give a crap what the average French person thinks of my country and I will ask them if they speak German. Ask me if i give a crap what the average Arab thinks of my country and I will ask them how much oil they sold us.

I think these countries are giving us the diplomatic help they can. I think we can win this war.........when we are allowed to win it.

Voting Democrat in no way makes you a terrorist..........it makes ill informed maybe......... ..........but seriously, this whole mess could be fixed and finished if the politicians would stay out of it. They do not know how to conduct a war. You do not see the military running the country do you? Well, the politicians need to follow that example.

[Highwayman]

Originally Posted by Flying Dutchman

...How much did they give for our victims of Katrina? How many of them dipped into their oil reserves to help us out? ....

Actually several countries send aid after Katrina including some Arab countries. I believe the largest donor was Kuwait. Kuwait has also let us use their soil for staging our troops and has given a lot of humanitarian aid to the Iraqi people during this war. Maybe they like us for some reason.

FOXNews.com - Kuwait to Give $500M for Katrina Relief - U.S. & World

[Flying Dutchman]

See, there ya go, I stand corrected and used a bad example. Way to steal my thunder there Highway.............lol.








I still say fuggem though. lol

[Detector]

Well said FD

We are who and where we are because nobody gave a crap about us and we didn't give a crap about them.

[jeezeweeze]

I saw the statement that Prince William made on one of the news programs...that he wanted to be with his mates in Iraq...

While this is commendable and brave of him to say.... That would be such a mistake....talk about leverage if he got abducted....and he would ....unless they hide him in a camels a**....

The insurgents would love to have him as a guest... so I kinda wonder if his statement pushed the withdrawal just a tad sooner...

Can you imagine the chaos in Parliament when the Prince made that statement..

[wordsmythe]

All the good in-step right wingers are doing their VERY best to spin this to a positive. This is a GOOD sign, they tell us, because it just means fewer troops are needed because the Iraqi troops are stepping up...

If that's true - then why are the Britich doing it TOO us instead of WITH us?

I mean if things are going so well that they can bring theirs home why do we need to send more there?

Does it make any sense?

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by Highwayman

Well said Dutch.

Very Well said indeed.....

[Detector]

Does it make any sense?

It very well could. I don't claim to know troop deployment in Iraq but it could easily be the British troops coming home are deployed in an area of less importance, and area where the local Iraqis have gained control or an area near major ally troop concentration.

We may never know for sure but why does the left ALWAYS look at the dim side? It's true that the right always looks at the good side, but isn't that better in the long run? Aren't we, again, encouraging the enemy to fight harder by saying the British have had enough and leaving? If we knew this for a fact it would still not be in our own troops best interests to tell the enemy.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by Detector

It very well could. I don't claim to know troop deployment in Iraq but it could easily be the British troops coming home are deployed in an area of less importance, and area where the local Iraqis have gained control or an area near major ally troop concentration.

We may never know for sure but why does the left ALWAYS look at the dim side? It's true that the right always looks at the good side, but isn't that better in the long run? Aren't we, again, encouraging the enemy to fight harder by saying the British have had enough and leaving? If we knew this for a fact it would still not be in our own troops best interests to tell the enemy.

I believe that part of the reason they are coming home is political and part of the reason, like I said before, is because they are in an area that the Iraqi's pretty much have under control. Basra, with the exception of a couple of incidents hasn't really ever been a hot spot. Truth be told, (You won't hear this on CNN) a good part of Iraq is doing ok. It's just a large area around Bagdad that's f*d up.

Do you feel that the left wants us to be successful in Iraq or have they already given up? What ramifications will this have if we quit? I think we tell the enemy too much. Hell...they probably knew about the "SURGE" before we did. So much for the element of surprise...thanks to politics.