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Old 04-05-2007, 09:32 PM
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I was driving across the wilds of Kansas today and I caught part of a news story about this and they said something about a delegation of Republicans left the day before Pelosi's and that she's got several Republicans in her delegation as well...

I'll check into it a bit more.
Do that Wordy, they had no business going either and it doesn’t justify Pelosi’s actions. It was mentioned in the Washington Post editorial that I posted above.

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Ms. Pelosi responded by pointing out that Republican congressmen had visited Syria without drawing presidential censure. That's true enough -- but those other congressmen didn't try to introduce a new U.S. diplomatic initiative in the Middle East.
At least those Republicans aren’t getting a lot of attention for screwing with the foreign policy efforts of other countries.

From the Jerusalem Post;

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The Prime Minister's Office issued a rare "clarification" Wednesday that, in gentle diplomatic terms, contradicted US Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi's statement in Damascus that she had brought a message from Israel about a willingness to engage in peace talks.

According to the statement, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert emphasized in his meeting with Pelosi on Sunday that "although Israel is interested in peace with Syria, that country continues to be part of the Axis of Evil and a force that encourages terror in the entire Middle East."

Olmert, the statement clarified, told Pelosi that Syria's sincerity about a genuine peace with Israel would be judged by its willingness to "cease its support of terror, cease its sponsoring of the Hamas and Islamic Jihad organizations, refrain from providing weapons to Hizbullah and bringing about the destabilizing of Lebanon, cease its support of terror in Iraq, and relinquish the strategic ties it is building with the extremist regime in Iran."

The statement said Olmert had not communicated to Pelosi any change in Israeli policy on Damascus.

Pelosi, who met in Damascus with Syrian President Bashar Assad over the objections of US President George W. Bush, said she brought a message to Assad from Olmert saying that Israel was ready for peace talks.....

PMO denies peace message to Assad | Jerusalem Post
Note that Hamas and Islamic Jihad have praised Pelosi’s visit. It’s nice that she is appeasing terrorist groups.
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Old 04-06-2007, 06:24 AM
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The Party of Defeat and Surrender (i.e., the Democratic Party) has basically informed the terrorists of the world that we do not have the fortitude or the integrity to face terrorism.

"If we do not fight them over there; we will soon be fighting them here" were the exact words of a brave Kansas soldier returning to Iraq last week.

In their quest for political gain and power, the Democratic Party and a handful of reject Republicans sold out our troops and undermined their mission with a bogus bill. Thankfully, our President will veto this bill and validate our troops' mission to succeed. A successful outcome in Iraq is obviously not desired by the liberal media or the Democratic Party. Truth be known, we are in a subliminal truth war with the neo-liberals and their media in our own country as much as we are with radical Islam.

Securing Iraq and confronting terrorism renews a message of resolve by America for the whole Middle East region to observe. If today's liberal media would have reported the military struggles and enormous loss of life (81,000 American lives at the Battle of the Bulge alone) during World War II, there would have been a similar demand to the end of that war. Rosie O'Donnell would have misinformed viewers that Hitler was just "misunderstood."

The origin of Islamic terrorism did not begin with the current Iraq conflict. From the 1979 American hostage crisis, to the bombing of the 1983 Beirut barracks killing over 240 soldiers, to the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, the October 2000 USS Cole assault, and that tragic day of Sept. 11, 2001, terrorism has been and is a global conflict. Did we forget that Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and plotted to kill President George H.W. Bush? Those who believe that Suddam Hussein could not, would not, and did not strive to obtain and use WMDs against America are truly swimming in the river of denial and future terrorists are setting sail to our own "ignorance."

Iran's tyrannical leader, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, tested the resolve of the Western world with the kidnapping of British sailors. Just how long do we believe Israel will tolerate the daily nuclear threat from neighboring countries and a madman who claims the Holocaust never happened?

Do modern day tyrants from North Korea and Iran believe that the United States currently carries Teddy Roosevelt's Big Stick or Nancy Pelosi's wet noodle as a diplomatic bargaining chip? Ronald Reagan's "Peace through Strength" has sadly become the Democratic Party cry of "Declare a date of retreat, surrender, redeploy and ... let's talk."

Perhaps our president envisioned a different America before that somber September Day; but history changed his direction and altered our country's course. I, for one, am proud of this President and salute our military for their sacrifices and brave effort on behalf of all of us.

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Old 04-06-2007, 07:57 PM
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Did Nancy Pelosi commit a felony when she went to Syria?

BY ROBERT F. TURNER
Friday, April 6, 2007 11:30 a.m.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi may well have committed a felony in traveling to Damascus this week, against the wishes of the president, to communicate on foreign-policy issues with Syrian President Bashar Assad. The administration isn't going to want to touch this political hot potato, nor should it become a partisan issue. Maybe special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, whose aggressive prosecution of Lewis Libby establishes his independence from White House influence, should be called back.
The Logan Act makes it a felony and provides for a prison sentence of up to three years for any American, "without authority of the United States," to communicate with a foreign government in an effort to influence that government's behavior on any "disputes or controversies with the United States." Some background on this statute helps to understand why Ms. Pelosi may be in serious trouble.

President John Adams requested the statute after a Pennsylvania pacifist named George Logan traveled to France in 1798 to assure the French government that the American people favored peace in the undeclared "Quasi War" being fought on the high seas between the two countries. In proposing the law, Rep. Roger Griswold of Connecticut explained that the object was, as recorded in the Annals of Congress, "to punish a crime which goes to the destruction of the executive power of the government. He meant that description of crime which arises from an interference of individual citizens in the negotiations of our executive with foreign governments."

The debate on this bill ran nearly 150 pages in the Annals. On Jan. 16, 1799, Rep. Isaac Parker of Massachusetts explained, "the people of the United States have given to the executive department the power to negotiate with foreign governments, and to carry on all foreign relations, and that it is therefore an usurpation of that power for an individual to undertake to correspond with any foreign power on any dispute between the two governments, or for any state government, or any other department of the general government, to do it."

Griswold and Parker were Federalists who believed in strong executive power. But consider this statement by Albert Gallatin, the future Secretary of the Treasury under President Thomas Jefferson, who was wary of centralized government: "it would be extremely improper for a member of this House to enter into any correspondence with the French Republic . . . As we are not at war with France, an offence of this kind would not be high treason, yet it would be as criminal an act, as if we were at war." Indeed, the offense is greater when the usurpation of the president's constitutional authority is done by a member of the legislature--all the more so by a Speaker of the House--because it violates not just statutory law but constitutes a usurpation of the powers of a separate branch and a breach of the oath of office Ms. Pelosi took to support the Constitution.


The Supreme Court has spoken clearly on this aspect of the separation of powers. In Marbury v. Madison, Chief Justice John Marshall used the president's authority over the Department of State as an illustration of those "important political powers" that, "being entrusted to the executive, the decision of the executive is conclusive." And in the landmark 1936 Curtiss-Wright case, the Supreme Court reaffirmed: "Into the field of negotiation the Senate cannot intrude, and Congress itself is powerless to invade it."
Ms. Pelosi and her Congressional entourage spoke to President Assad on various issues, among other things saying, "We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace." She is certainly not the first member of Congress--of either party--to engage in this sort of behavior, but her position as a national leader, the wartime circumstances, the opposition to the trip from the White House, and the character of the regime she has chosen to approach make her behavior particularly inappropriate.

Of course, not all congressional travel to, or communications with representatives of, foreign nations is unlawful. A purely fact-finding trip that involves looking around, visiting American military bases or talking with U.S. diplomats is not a problem. Nor is formal negotiation with foreign representatives if authorized by the president. (FDR appointed Sens. Tom Connally and Arthur Vandenberg to the U.S. delegation that negotiated the U.N. Charter.) Ms. Pelosi's trip was not authorized, and Syria is one of the world's leading sponsors of international terrorism. It has almost certainly been involved in numerous attacks that have claimed the lives of American military personnel from Beirut to Baghdad.

The U.S. is in the midst of two wars authorized by Congress. For Ms. Pelosi to flout the Constitution in these circumstances is not only shortsighted; it may well be a felony, as the Logan Act has been part of our criminal law for more than two centuries. Perhaps it is time to enforce the law.

Mr. Turner was acting assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs in 1984-85 and is a former chairman of the ABA standing committee on law and national security.

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I was driving across the wilds of Kansas today and I caught part of a news story about this and they said something about a delegation of Republicans left the day before Pelosi's and that she's got several Republicans in her delegation as well...

I'll check into it a bit more.
If they are attempting to collude with Pelosi on her illegal undermining of US Policy they need to be charged with a felony alongside Pelosi. The only way to stop this piracy of our institutions of government is to nip it by harsh action.
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Yep, I'm there with ya Wordie and Liz - they've all just given the big middle finger to the White House and to the American people. Remember Jane Fonda? It just pisses me off. This is war. No place for people who just want to use it to increase their own political power. And it cost us money. You can bet US citizens' tax money paid for every blood-red cent that trip cost, including all the bodyguards. Really, really pisses me off. Will cost her my vote, wish that could count for more......
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Yep, I'm there with ya Wordie and Liz - they've all just given the big middle finger to the White House and to the American people. Remember Jane Fonda? It just pisses me off. This is war. No place for people who just want to use it to increase their own political power. And it cost us money. You can bet US citizens' tax money paid for every blood-red cent that trip cost, including all the bodyguards. Really, really pisses me off. Will cost her my vote, wish that could count for more......
yet W flips off the majority of the American people all the time and none of you seem to care.

The majority of people want the troops out of Iraq and some diplomacy with other countries instead of dropping bombs.
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I look at that differently. I didn't vote Pelosi into office to make decisions for me. Thus, her going over there as a US official burns my ass. I did, however, vote for Bush to study the ramifications and come to conclusions with the aid of his staff for my benefit. If he honestly believes in his heart of hearts that this is the way to go, then I'm 100% behind him. I abhor war. Make no mistake. But I support my President 100%.
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....Will cost her my vote, wish that could count for more......
I didn't know you were moving to California!?!? That's the only way you could vote for Pelosi, or not vote for her by voting for her challenger.
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I look at that differently. I didn't vote Pelosi into office to make decisions for me. Thus, her going over there as a US official burns my ass. I did, however, vote for Bush to study the ramifications and come to conclusions with the aid of his staff for my benefit. If he honestly believes in his heart of hearts that this is the way to go, then I'm 100% behind him. I abhor war. Make no mistake. But I support my President 100%.
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