Reproductive Rights for Men...

[wordsmythe]

Originally Posted by lurker

What's the name of the birds that have been known to kill storks?

It's the swallow...

And that still has nothing to do with the point.

[TigerEyes]

Originally Posted by wordsmythe

It's the swallow...

And that still has nothing to do with the point.

That's damn funny, though!!

I know, wordsmythe. You're trying to get back to what happens after the kid's been assembled and incubated, not what got the kid created in the first place. You're probably trying to direct attention specifically to the question of a father's right after conception, right?

It seems to be a question of two people's individual rights colliding rather forcefully. Take funeral picketing - who's right is greater, the right of the mourning family to not see crass picketers or the right of the picketers to exercise their first amendment rights? Same general idea. Who's right takes precedence - the right of the father to choose whether to not have a child or for the child to be brought to term (or to not pay child support), or the right of the mother to not have to be pregnant for 9 months or to carry it to term and raise it on her own?

That's a line that can never be clearly defined - at least, not in America.

I do have a solution, though.

Women, we currently hold a great deal of decision-making when it comes to children. We should take our partner's considerations to heart - even if it may not be what we want or may cause us uncomfortability for a bit. I'm not saying we should do whatever they want - but we should givemen a voice in the matter. Even if the law doesn't say we're required to.

It's the least we can do, since they sorta lost the evolutionary/biological lottery in that respect.

[TigerEyes]

Oh - and Tee, that should give you a hint!

[TexKan]

Originally Posted by Tee

That is so extremely sexist!!

You are shifting responsibility for birth control to the man.
You are blaming a man for a womans pregnancy.

No I'm not - I agree it's equal - at times thos it's just the woman using the man for his reproductive services

If a woman gets pregnant, it's equally the man and the womans fault for not taking precations. Yet, the woman gets all the say in the decision of a child that the courts say is half the mans financial responsibility.

That's not right.

Then prevent it from happening until YOU are ready.






Let's say I get my girlfriend Jane, pregnant. Neither of us took precautions. I want a kid and Jane does not. Jane is pro-choice and I am pro-life. Jane decides she does not want to have the kid even though I want to have one. I have no other kids and I am willing to raise the child and release her of any financial or moral liability, still Jane wants to take the simple way out and kill the child rather than have it and hand it over to the father. Jane can do whatever the hell she wants to the detriment of the child and the father, for the benifit of herself. And how do you prospose to force a woman to carry a preg against her will? Sue her I guess but you have no control over her body - shoulda checked Jane out before you startin foolin around.

Now...lets go the other way. Lets say I don't want a child because I don't make much money and fear the commitment of paying child support for 20 years. I don't want it and Jane decides to have it. I have no say. Jane has the baby and sticks me for 800-1000 dollars child support for the next two decades of my life. Jane had the baby even though I did not want it.

Jane has all the say.....and the responsibility - finacial isn't child support - if you think it is you don't need to father anything. Give up parental rights and its taken care of - otherwise help (and I use that term loosely based on how many men feel $$ is raising) raise the child - put your personal differences aside and nurture a responsible addition to the world.
I have NO SAY in the matter.


If you say the man should have used a rubber one more time it will prove you are being sexist, denying that the woman has any responsibility to use birth control during the act.

AGAIN the man should have used common sense and protection - women have had all the responsibility for years and will continue to do so until a man can show that he is willing to negate those little swimmers the way a womna negates pregnancy each and every month. Welcome to the world of men and women.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by Tee

That is so extremely sexist!!

You are shifting responsibility for birth control to the man.
You are blaming a man for a womans pregnancy.

I agree...a very sexist remark. I think people should step into the 21st Century....

Originally Posted by Tee

Lets say I don't want a child because I don't make much money and fear the commitment of paying child support for 20 years.

Unfortunately that's the more the norm. There are WAY too many dead beat dad's running around out there in the world. I blame them but I also sometimes blame the mother for not going after them.

[JayhawkMom]

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

Unfortunately that's the more the norm. There are WAY too many dead beat dad's running around out there in the world. I blame them but I also sometimes blame the mother for not going after them.

I agree Army.......my only other comment is that I know some women who try to go after the dead beat dad.......it's not as easy as you think. My ex-brother-in-law gets paid in cash under the table, thus my sister can't get wages garnished....he pays her $5-25 dollars a month, so when she takes him to court, they say he's "trying to pay", all the while he's living on a ranch with no rent, working for the rancher in cash, and she's trying to raise their 4 kids on her single salary. I'm hoping the new laws that prevent him from getting a hunting license or a driver's license due to back child support will help, but you never really know. It's pretty pathetic to marry, have 4 children, divorce and then spend so much energy trying every way in the world to NOT pay child support.

[Army_of_One]

I would call the guys employer. I would call the credit bureau and report him. I would call his family. If he has a car payment I would call the bank and let him know. I would call EVERYONE.

[Lone Gunman]

Let's not forget the deadbeat moms out there. I raised to kids by myself after the divorce with no help from my ex. So deadbeat moms do exist.

[JayhawkMom]

The State attorney and she have been working on trying to get him......keep in mind, her struggle in trying to collect child support has been going on for about 15 years.....

[TigerEyes]

But what if they're just choosing not to raise their kids? I mean, this post is about a person's right to not have to support kids they don't want, right?