Gun Ban

[Army_of_One]

I support immigrations 110% and I support globalization. I'm with you on that but like others you confuse immigration with ILLEGAL immigration. Most of us here are HERE because our families immigrated at some time. Without immigration we would be without some of our best Dr's, teachers and scientists.

I think a global economy is good because with the competition the consumer usually wins (sans the kids eating the lead paint off the chinese toys). Free trade is important also but we also must maintain our sovereignty and our borders because without that who are we? What sets us apart from Mexico, Canada or any other nation?

[TigerEyes]

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

Being Pro life and pro death penalty are two completely different issues. The only way they are the same is that someone dies in the end.

I being pro-life meant the baby DIDN'T die...

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

One could say abortion is killing an innocent child and others would argue the death penalty is taking the life of a criminal that is not innocent. I personally would not compare the two but you can if you want. It's apples and oranges.

One of the many arguments abortion opponents make is the "sanctity of life." That's also an argument used for those against euthenasia and assisted suicide. If that's what they argue, they should argue also for the sanctity of a criminal's life, regardless of what crimes that person committed. After all, it's about living, right? And not killing someone else?

[TigerEyes]

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

Free trade is important also but we also must maintain our sovereignty and our borders because without that who are we? What sets us apart from Mexico, Canada or any other nation?

From an economic, social, military, or ideological standpoint? Lots and very little. And just how important are those differences, anyway?

And you missed one point I tried making. The California agricultural economy is dependent on flow of illegal immigrants. Without illegal immigrants, guacamole's gonna be expensive.....

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by TigerEyes

I being pro-life meant the baby DIDN'T die...



One of the many arguments abortion opponents make is the "sanctity of life." That's also an argument used for those against euthenasia and assisted suicide. If that's what they argue, they should argue also for the sanctity of a criminal's life, regardless of what crimes that person committed. After all, it's about living, right? And not killing someone else?

I was typing too fast and got it backwards....But here is the deal. Pro life wants to keep the baby alive...against killing. The baby doesn't get a trial or a choice. The criminal on the other had gets a trial by a jury of his peers and is being punished. I don't like abortions either but I think the death penalty is a great thing.

[wordsmythe]

Guns and abortion...

The Republican stronghold.

AS long as you tell em they can keep their guns and you're savin babies you don't have to stand for anything else.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by TigerEyes

. Without illegal immigrants, guacamole's gonna be expensive.....

But the social costs FAR exceep the cost of guac, tomotoes and whatever else going up. The immigrants can still come...but do it on a worker visa so they get taxed. Since you brought up California....look up how many of the states prison population in CA is illegal and what the cost is to the taxpayers of the state. Now, add to that the millions they pay out in social benefits to illegals, cost of education people that can't speak english, ect....

I would rather pay a few cents more for an avocado if I had a choice. Also a lot of the people coming here illegal are committing crimes against our citizens. I suppose you are ok with this since you want open borders. Any terrorist or criminal can just walk into our country as they wish and that is ok with you?

[JayhawkMom]

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

But the social costs FAR exceep the cost of guac, tomotoes and whatever else going up. The immigrants can still come...but do it on a worker visa so they get taxed. Since you brought up California....look up how many of the states prison population in CA is illegal and what the cost is to the taxpayers of the state. Now, add to that the millions they pay out in social benefits to illegals, cost of education people that can't speak english, ect....

I would rather pay a few cents more for an avocado if I had a choice. Also a lot of the people coming here illegal are committing crimes against our citizens. I suppose you are ok with this since you want open borders. Any terrorist or criminal can just walk into our country as they wish and that is ok with you?

So now Tiger supports terrorism???? Kind of a stretch don't ya think??? I smell the distinct odor of bullshit....

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by TigerEyes

...Without illegal immigrants, guacamole's gonna be expensive.....

So, you pay $1.50 for an avocado instead of $1.00. But, in return, your taxes go down because you aren't paying for the food stamps, etc. Also your insurance goes down because you aren't paying the increased uninsured driver costs. Not to mention your healthcare costs because there won't be all the anchor babies being born in our hospitals for free or very little cost to the illegal.


Personally, I'll pay a little extra for my fruits and veggies.

[Jolly Rancher]

Originally Posted by JayhawkMom

Same way you can be PRO-LIFE and support the death penality........

Explain, Please.

Originally Posted by The Drifter

jayhawkmom has offered a paradox for you army...can you answer that one.

I would prefer those of you that believe JayhawkMom's statement to explain it to me. I would like to hear your opinions.

I apparently will be getting much bad rep because of my views, but I will not hide from you because of my views.

How can you decide which life is more important, an unborn child or a criminal. Most of you on this board claim to be a Christian. My Bible says that I am not to kill, but to love. It is God's judgment, in the end, that is the punishment for a criminal. I do not support the death penalty, nor do I support abortion.

Sorry I am taking away from AoO and Wordy's spat.

[tat2me82]

Originally Posted by Jolly Rancher

How can you decide which life is more important, an unborn child or a criminal. Most of you on this board claim to be a Christian. My Bible says that I am not to kill, but to love. It is God's judgment, in the end, that is the punishment for a criminal. I do not support the death penalty, nor do I support abortion.

Sorry I am taking away from AoO and Wordy's spat.

I'm not a christian nor do I sway w/ any religion. As for abortion, I'm pro-choice.. I believe it's the persons choice and NOONE has the right to tell that person what they can and can not do w/ their body. I think it's wrong that some people use it as a form of birth control, but that's not my choice nor place to tell someone what they can and can not do, that's just my opinion. Isn't that why everyone loves this country so much?? The freedom?? yet so much of it is getting taken away because one person doesn't like the way another is doing something etc etc. i.e I'm probably going to get grief on that last part because some people would like to nit pick it as much as possible, but I'm hoping you can at least catch the point of what I'm trieng to say.

As for death penalty... I'm on the fence with that.. I personally feel whatever the criminal does, should be done to the criminal 3 times fold!! I believe it would make them think twice before doing it again