Illegal Protests or "Vigil"?

[old timer]

1) we would eat healthier since the cost of beef would jack up to 12 - 15 dollars a pound or more -- less beef, more health

2) Mexico would have pressures go up for a true reform of their country -- ie, radical change of government and a shared border with a country that would be more like, say, Venzualla. Bonus for that since we depend on Mexico for cheap oil -- so the cost of $300 a barrel oil would make us actually stop driving much. Healthier there too

3) Old people would do a lot more handwork. No cheap labor. City costs and property taxes would go up. Between the legal workers pay rate and the empty houses in Dodge, that would happen. Bonus there since housing would get much, much cheaper (except for property taxes, but we could get rid of about half the schools and teachers, so big savings.

4) Social Security tax would go up since a large percentage of SS taxes paid by illegals (yes, it is taken out of pay checks at the meat factories) ends up in the surplus. That would make sure we all work until at least 70, so bonus there -- work is good for us.

5) Sale tax collection would drop right away -- so we could stop building those expensive city/county buildings from it -- bonus there since there won't be the up keep cost to pay -- and we could cut city/county staff since we just wouldn't need so much government nor a new empty jail. That would also open up a lot of school space, and even fewer teachers would be needed.

Gee, what did I miss? Maybe the anti-immigrant movement has some good points to be gained. Just don't own property in Dodge by the time this happens -- you could do just fine.

By the way, there would still be a lot of legal Latinos in Dodge, so don't expect your church to be quiet either way. And Spanish would still be spoken a lot -- gee, they allow Italians in the East Coast to still speak Italian years after they got here for cheap jobs, and you even hear Chinese in ChinaTowns around the country. Shame, why don't they speak English.......

[K C Muffin]

I understand there will be negatives of enforcement of illegal immigrant laws. Shoot, there are negatives to every decision made. Somehow we live with them. Just don't insult my intelligence by asking me to believe that we HAVE to allow the people who have immigrated here illegally to stay. We don't. Dodge City won't be the only city to bear the brunt - we all will, in one way or other. But most of us would gladly pay the price. All we're asking is that they come here legally. Is that too much? I live by the laws and when I don't (I have a heavy foot), I have to pay the price. Shouldn't they? Honestly.

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by old timer

1) we would eat healthier since the cost of beef would jack up to 12 - 15 dollars a pound or more -- less beef, more health

2) Mexico would have pressures go up for a true reform of their country -- ie, radical change of government and a shared border with a country that would be more like, say, Venzualla. Bonus for that since we depend on Mexico for cheap oil -- so the cost of $300 a barrel oil would make us actually stop driving much. Healthier there too

3) Old people would do a lot more handwork. No cheap labor. City costs and property taxes would go up. Between the legal workers pay rate and the empty houses in Dodge, that would happen. Bonus there since housing would get much, much cheaper (except for property taxes, but we could get rid of about half the schools and teachers, so big savings.

4) Social Security tax would go up since a large percentage of SS taxes paid by illegals (yes, it is taken out of pay checks at the meat factories) ends up in the surplus. That would make sure we all work until at least 70, so bonus there -- work is good for us.

5) Sale tax collection would drop right away -- so we could stop building those expensive city/county buildings from it -- bonus there since there won't be the up keep cost to pay -- and we could cut city/county staff since we just wouldn't need so much government nor a new empty jail. That would also open up a lot of school space, and even fewer teachers would be needed.

Gee, what did I miss? Maybe the anti-immigrant movement has some good points to be gained. WTF? You don't get it either! There is no anti-immigrant movement. There is an anti-ILLEGAL immigrant movement!Just don't own property in Dodge by the time this happens -- you could do just fine.

By the way, there would still be a lot of legal Latinos in Dodge, so don't expect your church to be quiet either way. And Spanish would still be spoken a lot -- gee, they allow Italians in the East Coast to still speak Italian years after they got here for cheap jobs, and you even hear Chinese in ChinaTowns around the country. Shame, why don't they speak English.......

REBUTTAL

1) $12-$15/lb for beef?!? Get real it would never happen. Contrary to your belief to state that, not all workers at packing plants are illegal. Some are, and price would go up a little if/when we weed out the illegals. But, it won't go that high.

2) We pay market price for oil no matter where it comes from. I don't see how you can assume we get cheap oil from Mexico. Also, the number one importer of oil to the U.S. is Canada, followed by Saudi Arabia. Mexico comes in at 3rd for importing oil to the U.S.

3) If you pay to have an illegal do labor around your house, shame on you. I know I don't. I have school kids that want to earn money do work for me when I need work done. No need to hire an illegal to have work done.

4) Check your sources. They pay SS tax out of their fraudulent tax I.D. paycheck. But, that money goes into a type of limbo and can't be used since the source of that money and its legitimacy can't be verified. Bottom line, SS tax won't go up for that reason. If it goes up it will be because that the number of baby boomers expected to reach retirement age will double within the next decade.

5) It might go down a little, but it won't be a disaster. Garden City is thriving more than Dodge City just a few short years after they wouldn't grant Monfort any tax breaks to stay in Garden City and Monfort packed up, shut down and laid everybody off.



PS. Ask a Mexican National what happens to a Guatemalan or an El Salvadoran, etc. that comes into Mexico illegally and gets caught.

(hint)-Think target practice.

[Made in the USA]

Being a long time resident of Dodge City, I can definitely say the following. We were doing just great before the packing plants and all the illegals came here. We will be just great when they leave. All these "threats" about how bad it will be if they all leave? Don't bother me none!! I cherish the "quality" of life more than the "quantity"!

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by old timer

1) we would eat healthier since the cost of beef would jack up to 12 - 15 dollars a pound or more -- less beef, more health

2) Mexico would have pressures go up for a true reform of their country -- ie, radical change of government and a shared border with a country that would be more like, say, Venzualla. Bonus for that since we depend on Mexico for cheap oil -- so the cost of $300 a barrel oil would make us actually stop driving much. Healthier there too

3) Old people would do a lot more handwork. No cheap labor. City costs and property taxes would go up. Between the legal workers pay rate and the empty houses in Dodge, that would happen. Bonus there since housing would get much, much cheaper (except for property taxes, but we could get rid of about half the schools and teachers, so big savings.

4) Social Security tax would go up since a large percentage of SS taxes paid by illegals (yes, it is taken out of pay checks at the meat factories) ends up in the surplus. That would make sure we all work until at least 70, so bonus there -- work is good for us.

5) Sale tax collection would drop right away -- so we could stop building those expensive city/county buildings from it -- bonus there since there won't be the up keep cost to pay -- and we could cut city/county staff since we just wouldn't need so much government nor a new empty jail. That would also open up a lot of school space, and even fewer teachers would be needed.

Gee, what did I miss? Maybe the anti-immigrant movement has some good points to be gained. Just don't own property in Dodge by the time this happens -- you could do just fine.

By the way, there would still be a lot of legal Latinos in Dodge, so don't expect your church to be quiet either way. And Spanish would still be spoken a lot -- gee, they allow Italians in the East Coast to still speak Italian years after they got here for cheap jobs, and you even hear Chinese in ChinaTowns around the country. Shame, why don't they speak English.......

It would take a minute for the economy to absorb the loss but it would. The packing plants WOULD find ways to hire workers just like they are doing now with the puerto ricans. We CAN have cheap labor immigrate to this country we just need them to have a little piece of paper called a WORKER PERMIT. There is nothing wrong with having Latino's in Dodge or anywhere else. If they came here legally they have the right to be here just like you and I do but it's the illegal ones that bring most of the problems. (SEE PGR HD's post and take a minute to READ IT) Property taxes would not go up and SHOULD go down in the long run because of the over all social cost's of having so many illegals would be LESS. Wouldn't need fewer teachers but need FEWER para's (AKA TRANSLATORS) which would open up MORE MONEY TO PAY BETTER TEACHERS consequently having better educated kids coming out of our schools. You look at all the immediate short term impacts. Look AHEAD and see some of the issues that would correct themselves.

[Army_of_One]

NOT to mention when the casino comes it will add some revenue and traffic flow to the town. The rental and housing market should get better than it is now. You are trying to justify having the illegals here is an overall PLUS to the community...good luck convincing people on that issue.

[BroncoFan]

Originally Posted by old timer

1) we would eat healthier since the cost of beef would jack up to 12 - 15 dollars a pound or more -- less beef, more health

2) Mexico would have pressures go up for a true reform of their country -- ie, radical change of government and a shared border with a country that would be more like, say, Venzualla. Bonus for that since we depend on Mexico for cheap oil -- so the cost of $300 a barrel oil would make us actually stop driving much. Healthier there too

3) Old people would do a lot more handwork. No cheap labor. City costs and property taxes would go up. Between the legal workers pay rate and the empty houses in Dodge, that would happen. Bonus there since housing would get much, much cheaper (except for property taxes, but we could get rid of about half the schools and teachers, so big savings.

4) Social Security tax would go up since a large percentage of SS taxes paid by illegals (yes, it is taken out of pay checks at the meat factories) ends up in the surplus. That would make sure we all work until at least 70, so bonus there -- work is good for us.

5) Sale tax collection would drop right away -- so we could stop building those expensive city/county buildings from it -- bonus there since there won't be the up keep cost to pay -- and we could cut city/county staff since we just wouldn't need so much government nor a new empty jail. That would also open up a lot of school space, and even fewer teachers would be needed.

Gee, what did I miss? Maybe the anti-immigrant movement has some good points to be gained. Just don't own property in Dodge by the time this happens -- you could do just fine.

By the way, there would still be a lot of legal Latinos in Dodge, so don't expect your church to be quiet either way. And Spanish would still be spoken a lot -- gee, they allow Italians in the East Coast to still speak Italian years after they got here for cheap jobs, and you even hear Chinese in ChinaTowns around the country. Shame, why don't they speak English.......

This is usually a poor arguement, especially when you SPIN this as an "anti-immigrant movement". Wrongo, Bucko! this is an "anti-illegal immigrant movement!" I, and most of USa have no problem with immigrants. The problem stems from people doing this illegally. It is the "illegall" issue that causes many, many problems. Most of which are financial in nature and involve identity theft. Get a clue!!

[CRAZY HORSE]

Redskin man build campfire, smoke pipe, try to make peace with Whiteman. Whiteman took over country anyway. Methink WATCH OUT

[Detector]

Redskin man build campfire, smoke pipe, try to make peace with Whiteman. Whiteman took over country anyway. Methink WATCH OUT

Hehe

[Made in the USA]

Originally Posted by CRAZY HORSE

Redskin man build campfire, smoke pipe, try to make peace with Whiteman. Whiteman took over country anyway. Methink WATCH OUT

Yeah, and now they get all of the "cool land", the government handouts, they get to have "their own" laws and government, and they get to have a monopoly on casinos; which means they make a helluva lot more money than me, and are buying up things right and left! I could go on, but you get the point!