Illegal Protests or "Vigil"?

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by DCFan

Some of them are and they are not all Hispanic or illegal. I know there are problems but it comes back to the same question. What is the best way to help the situation? The churches position to help all people live better lives or to send people to thier home countries and help ourselves only.

It's not about "sending them back". It's about closing the border, cutting off benefits and having them go back on their own because they can't suck off our society here. If someone wants to come here LEGALLY and work I, like most people am ALL for it. Having the illegals here may help THEM but it doesn't help US. Again between having a safer place to live for my family and helping out a few illegals I'll choose my family 10 times out of 10. That's just the way it is. If you are so concerned with helping the illegals why don't you open up your house and your pocketbook and help all you want.

[DCFan]

I have always been willing to do my part for people who have not had the same opportunities that I have had. But that brings me back to the same question, how much is enough? I understand your position you're certainly intitled to it. You've given me something else to think about. Do I want my kids to take care of themselves first or do I want them to be concerned about the plight of others? I'll have to think on this some more and continue to follow the discussion. Thanks.

[Made in the USA]

The churches, especially the Catholic Church in DC, are full of hypocrites!

[Flying Dutchman]

I do n ot understand, I guess, where your delima is DCfan.

As soon as the Catholic church stops harboring child molesters and giving them free roam to molest more children, then maybe I will take what they have to say a bit more seriously.

If I remember correctly from my teachings, it is wrong to lie, cheat, and steal to obtain any personal goals, wants or desires. The illegals are here because they WANT a better life. Not that they NEED one, just want one. You are wondering if the ends justify the means. Well, they don't. I do not feel any guilt for having the life I do. I earned it, worked hard for it and members of my family paid in blood for me to have it. I can sympathize, and empathize for their situation......but I refuse to comprimise since it is THEIR choice to break the law, THEIR choice to be put in the situation they are in and THEIR choice to not fix the country they come from. We are talking ILLEGAL immagration, but many choose to ignore that and allow the ILLEGALs to dictate how the argument should be raised. I for one am sick and tired of this whinny-butt whah whah crap. Do not dump a bucket of chit on your own head then cry to me about being chit on. If I remember correctly, wasn't the BTK guy a tax paying, hard working, family orrientated community giving person? It just so happens he was also a killer. You have a problem with your faith, then that is your problem to sort out. My faith tells me to love my fellow man but it doesn't tell me to help them lie, cheat and steal.

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by Made in the USA

The churches, especially the Catholic Church in DC, are full of hypocrites!

You got that right! The Catholic Church may be for the illegals, but you ask the majority of the congregation about them and they are fed up. They (the majority of them) don't put much, if anything in the collection plate, they don't help out with their time or talents for the extra-curricular things that the church does, they go to the "free-will donation" meals and feel they don't have to donate anything except their appetite, they let their kids run wild during church. Yet all the priests do is continue to stand up for them.

[Detector]

Personally I think the church has taken the easy stance on illegal immigrants, and also a beneficial one. If the church really cared to address the issue, for the best of all involved, they would convince the illegals the best solution is to return home and deal with the reasons they left in the first place. The church, if they really cared, would help them to make their home a better place to live.

Instead they choose to say it's OK to break the laws of our country as long as we see you in church on Sunday. Your family and my family is made to suffer the burden of these criminals because the church has chosen to take the easy route. Would the church be so forgiving if the drug dealers were to band together and cry "what about the children" and "we just want a better life" but continue to deal drugs?

Do you think it's simply coincidence that the groups that have chosen to ignore the crime and support illegal immigrants happens to also be the ones that stand to gain from them? Politicians, school systems and churches have sold the security and wellbeing of their fellow man for their own personal gains.

America is more than willing to support sending help to other countries to make life better for those families. Like we are doing in Iraq.

More and more we see Americans dropping out of the church because the church seems to have abandon them. More and more we see people like myself who no longer feels the church has our best interests in mind, and choose to follow our own faith because the church has become self-serving. We see the same thing in our government. People are loosing faith in our government because they choose not to hear the people they serve, while looking after their own gains. America is in disorder because the people it looked up to for leadership have abandon them.

If you really care to help these people teach them to fish in their own country and quit feeding them fish from our ponds.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by DCFan

I have always been willing to do my part for people who have not had the same opportunities that I have had.

They have opportunity, they (the illegals) just bypass the law and sneak into the country as a criminal and continue to bypass our laws once they are here. IMO THIS is not a very GODLY act because to help themselves they are bringing harm to others in several ways.

[old timer]

For a broader historical view of Mexico and US politics, here are two good articles. We forget that in the 1940s and 1950s, and later, US ruling families interests were well served by working with corrupt families that ruled Mexico through the one-party PRI government. Now, US crime families work well, it would seem, with Mexico crime cartels. IE, clue, the very rich in US and very rich in Mexico don't want any change. And in old Dodge City, basically the same issues -- the $200,000 a year meat factory management doesn't want any change. Their votes count a few times more than your's and mine, I would guess, with Congress.


The Government and the Drug Lords: Who Rules Mexico? - Worldpress.org

Center for Latin American Studies, UC Berkeley
"Politics of Petroleum"
September 12, 2002
http://www.clas.berkeley.edu:7001/Ev...roremarks.html

[Tee]

Originally Posted by Bubba

... They (the majority of them) don't put much, if anything in the collection plate, they don't help out with their time or talents for the extra-curricular things that the church does, they go to the "free-will donation" meals ....

I have heard this from the priests. The Spanish mass brings in very little in tithes.

I have been to Spanish mass. The kids run amok throughout the church during the service and the parents don't control them. It really pisses off the priests too. I remember years ago watching Father Temaat stop mass and come unglued at the parents for not showing respect for the service. They have different customs.

[lBugsy]

If the Church really wants to help...then they can set up clinics in Mexico and teach their nationals that want to immigrate the proper and legal way to do so. That way, the Mexican Nationals, can come to America legally. I don't think that most of the people that have "gripes" about the immigrants don't have any problem with LEGAL immigrants...it's those that "sneak" across the border, use false names and ss#'s, get free medical, food that is the problem.
Let the church's set up shop in Mexico and let the church show them the LEGAL way