Illegal Protests or "Vigil"?

[retired]

Maybe the legal immigrants of Dodge City should form a protes of the illegal immigrants. Bet We could get a lot of people to. May our comish would see this to and know we are the voting ones.

[BroncoFan]

Originally Posted by DCFan

You don't think that the church promotes the following of the civil laws in our society?

Some churches seem NOT to promote the following of the civil laws. By this, I mean that it appears that most catholic churches in predominately large hispanic regions, are aiding and abetting the illegal immigrants. Not to say this is not happening in large Irish regions with illegal immigrants, but hispanic illegals are making the current news.

The church's role (any denomination) should be to look out for inhumane treatment of illegals. Not the fact that some are being rounded up and deported (this is NOT inhumane). Their role should be more in assisting the families left behind in the US in getting the $ to get back to Mexico with their loved ones. First and foremost, the churches should shy away from sponsoring rallies and protests and the teaching of illegals on how to avoid capture.

The church should, instead, focus on missionary work to further assist those in other countries. If a person in another country is being treated inhumanely then there are LEGAL avenues of getting into the USA. The churches should focus in the LEGAL teaching of these avenues.

Mostly, I feel the churches should stay away from and distance themselves from ILLEGAL immigrant issues, other than doing what a church should do: preach the belief.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by Monster

There is no grey area here. I do not see why we need to "find a solution that benefits both sides". These people are here ILLEGALLY, so I do not believe they have the RIGHT to any benefit, not even the benefit of the doubt.

Well said Monster....

[Made in the USA]

Originally Posted by Detector

Personally I think the church has taken the easy stance on illegal immigrants, and also a beneficial one. If the church really cared to address the issue, for the best of all involved, they would convince the illegals the best solution is to return home and deal with the reasons they left in the first place. The church, if they really cared, would help them to make their home a better place to live.

Instead they choose to say it's OK to break the laws of our country as long as we see you in church on Sunday. Your family and my family is made to suffer the burden of these criminals because the church has chosen to take the easy route. Would the church be so forgiving if the drug dealers were to band together and cry "what about the children" and "we just want a better life" but continue to deal drugs?

Do you think it's simply coincidence that the groups that have chosen to ignore the crime and support illegal immigrants happens to also be the ones that stand to gain from them? Politicians, school systems and churches have sold the security and wellbeing of their fellow man for their own personal gains.

America is more than willing to support sending help to other countries to make life better for those families. Like we are doing in Iraq.

More and more we see Americans dropping out of the church because the church seems to have abandon them. More and more we see people like myself who no longer feels the church has our best interests in mind, and choose to follow our own faith because the church has become self-serving. We see the same thing in our government. People are loosing faith in our government because they choose not to hear the people they serve, while looking after their own gains. America is in disorder because the people it looked up to for leadership have abandon them.

If you really care to help these people teach them to fish in their own country and quit feeding them fish from our ponds.

Sounds good Detector!

[K C Muffin]

I was born & raised Catholic and I consider myself Christian in my beliefs. But the very fact that these people continue to "raid" my country's tax system illegally is not right. If they asked for help and went about their movement from Mexican citizenship to USA citizenship legally, then I might try harder to help them. But when they come over without so much as a thought process that what they're doing is wrong, then I'm sorry. I can't be party to that, no matter what religious zealots think. If help for "my fellow man" is needed, then find me a way to help them legally. But if they're going to be allowed to systematically attack the American way, then I have no sympathy. None at all.

[Bubba]

I might have a little sympathy for the illegals if they were facing persecution if they stayed in Mexico. Or if there was some type of genocide going on there. But, there isn't any of that going on.

The only reason they are coming illegally is for hopes of a better life than what they have there. But, while doing that, they bring their problems, troubles and values that they had in Mexico with them here and in turn are turning this country upside down with their problems and all the crime that comes with them.

[K C Muffin]

Bubba, I agree they're coming here in search of a better life. But that's the same story we hear from 100% of immigrants - legal immigrants. So, because we have the waves of illegal immigrants, we shut down or slow down the flow of legal immigrants. All of a sudden, the illegals' "search for a better life" is costing their fellow Mexicans' dream of a "better life". Search for a better life still isn't a justifiable reason to commit a crime. Do it legally and I'm one of the first to open my checkbook.

[PGR H-D Rider]

Bank of America: Can I help you?
Customer: Yes, I want to cancel my account. I don't want to do business with you any longer.

The Bank: Why?

Customer: You're giving credit to illegal immigrants and I don't think it's right. I'm taking my business elsewhere.

The Bank: Well, Mr. Customer, we don't want to see you do that, but we can't stop you. I'll help you close the account. What is your account number?

Customer: (gives account number)

The Bank: For security purposes and for your protection, can you please give me the last four digits of your social security number?

Customer: No.

The Bank: Mr. Customer, I need to verify your information, but in order to help you, I'll need verification of who you are.

Customer: Why should I give you my social security number? The reason I'm closing my account is that your bank is issuing credit cards to illegal immigrants who don't have social security numbers. You are targeting that audience and want their business. Let's say I'm an illegal immigrant and you've given me a credit card. I have a question about it and call for assistance. You wouldn't be asking me for a Social Security number, would you? T

The Bank: No sir, I wouldn't.

Customer: Why not?

The Bank: Because you would have pressed '2' to speak in Spanish. We don't ask for that information when calling in on the Spanish line.

I provided "snopes" for doubters: Urban Legends Reference Pages: Bank of America Credit Cards for Illegals

Now:
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of the following facts.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. FAIR: : Immigration and Welfare

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. Center for Immigration Studies
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Center for Immigration Studies

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
CNN.com - Transcripts

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
CNN.com - Transcripts

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
CNN.com - Transcripts

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are
caused by the illegal aliens.
CNN.com - Transcripts

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
CNN.com - Transcripts

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period." http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. Wooldridge - How Much Further Into This Nightmare?

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ".
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whooping

$ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR

[Highwayman]

Originally Posted by PGR H-D Rider

The total cost is a whooping

$ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR

This sounds like a bargain.

Proposal: To patch and extend U.S.-Mexico border fence along all 1952 miles of southern border, adding high-tech TV cameras, microphones, lighting, motion and other electronic sensors, with civilian labor, donations, and maintenance teams, for less than $5 per foot or $50 million

Border Fence Project

[The Drifter]

Originally Posted by Bubba

The only reason they are coming illegally is for hopes of a better life than what they have there. But, while doing that, they bring their problems, troubles and values that they had in Mexico with them here and in turn are turning this country upside down with their problems and all the crime that comes with them.

What are those? Quinceneras, Tacos, Pinatas and Tequilla?