Fool me once...Cain't get fooled again.

[wordsmythe]

Hey how about that NIE that said Iran hasn't had a nuclear program since 2003? The one they've had for about a year? While they've been trying to scare everyone with World War 3 rhetoric.

But it's OK because W didn't know about it until recently...

Because Back when they first got it... ummm well he said they had some new information on Iran... and well he just didn't give it much thought or ask them what it might be.

But just because they don't have ANY of the capabilities W said they did they are still dangerous and we should still start bombing them.

Come on now... We can TRUST this flying monkey right.

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Here's some light reading on it. Decide for yourself.

Intelligence on Iran

Iran's nonexistent nuclear program - Los Angeles Times

OpinionJournal - REVIEW & OUTLOOK

Mulling the nuclear intent of Iran's mullahs | csmonitor.com

Mulling the nuclear intent of Iran's mullahs | csmonitor.com

Think Progress » Bush: DNI Told Me ‘We Have Some New Information, He Didn’t Tell Me What The Information Was’

Think Progress » Hersh: Bush Told Olmert Of NIE Two Days Before President Was Allegedly First Briefed On It

Annals of National Security: Last Stand: The New Yorker

Talking Points Memo | Seymour Hersh: Bush Admin. Has Known About Iran Intel For Year

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/wo...gewanted=print

Iran declares victory after U.S. atom report | U.S. | Reuters

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/wa...gewanted=print

And I'm TRYING to find something on FAUX "news" but we shall see how it comes out of the spin cycle.

[Army_of_One]

If they are not working on Nukes then why don't they follow the rules like everyone else and open their sites up to inspections by the NRA or outside agencies. Until they do that we should presume based on their leaders rhetoric and such that they could be doing something bad. I would rather err on the side of caution than to end up watching a nuke go off on our soil or on another countries soil that would start WWIII.

[wordsmythe]

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

If they are not working on Nukes then why don't they follow the rules like everyone else and open their sites up to inspections by the NRA or outside agencies. Until they do that we should presume based on their leaders rhetoric and such that they could be doing something bad. I would rather err on the side of caution than to end up watching a nuke go off on our soil or on another countries soil that would start WWIII.

That "logic" is very interesting. I guess we could use it when we go to the mall. Ask everyone we see to open their coat so we can be sure they don't have a gun. If the tell you to piss off then you shoot them just in case they MIGHT have one.

You didn't even take enoutgh time to glance at any of the information on the subject and just regurgitated the Insane Machinations of the Bush Crime Family.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by wordsmythe

That "logic" is very interesting. I guess we could use it when we go to the mall. Ask everyone we see to open their coat so we can be sure they don't have a gun. If the tell you to piss off then you shoot them just in case they MIGHT have one.

You didn't even take enoutgh time to glance at any of the information on the subject and just regurgitated the Insane Machinations of the Bush Crime Family.

I will read your picked through intelligence when I have more time. The mall thing is a poor example. You left out the fact that the person wearing the coat said he's going to exterminate all jews in the mall. THEN would you be justified opening his coat and searching him Wordy?

[wordsmythe]

hmmm if the guy is obviously a nutbag with no real power I'd have to say nope.

[Highwayman]

How about that NIE that warned us of 9-11?

How about that NIE that warned us about Iraq and WMDs?
The one that Bush has been bashed for taking seriously.

So now Democrats want to jump on this one as another bash Bush opportunity.

In any case, the real issue is not Iran's nuclear weapons program, but its nuclear program, period. As the NIE acknowledges, Iran continues to enrich uranium on an industrial scale--that is, build the capability to make the fuel for a potential bomb. And it is doing so in open defiance of binding U.N. resolutions. No less a source than the IAEA recently confirmed that Iran already has blueprints to cast uranium in the shape of an atomic bomb core.

The U.S. also knows that Iran has extensive technical information on how to fit a warhead atop a ballistic missile. And there is considerable evidence that the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps has been developing the detonation devices needed to set off a nuclear explosion at the weapons testing facility in Parchin. Even assuming that Iran is not seeking a bomb right now, it is hardly reassuring that they are developing technologies that could bring them within a screw's twist of one.

Mr. Bush's efforts to further sanction Iran at the U.N. were stalled even before the NIE's release. Those efforts will now be on life support. The NIE's judgments also complicate Treasury's efforts to persuade foreign companies to divest from Iran. Why should they lose out on lucrative business opportunities when even U.S. intelligence absolves the Iranians of evil intent? Calls by Democrats and their media friends to negotiate with Tehran "without preconditions" will surely grow louder.

The larger worry here is how little we seem to have learned from our previous intelligence failures. Over the course of a decade, our intelligence services badly underestimated Saddam's nuclear ambitions, then overestimated them. Now they have done a 180-degree turn on Iran, and in such a way that will contribute to a complacency that will make it easier for Iran to build a weapon. Our intelligence services are supposed to inform the policies of elected officials, but increasingly their judgments seem to be setting policy. This is dangerous.

OpinionJournal - REVIEW & OUTLOOK

The process of enriching uranium is the part that consumes the most time. Once enough enriched uranium is stockpiled it only takes a few months to create a bomb from start-up to final product. If anyone wants to think Iran isn’t a threat because of this NIE they are viewing the world through rose colored glasses. Even if Iran didn’t build a bomb they could still supply the material to other terrorist groups that we know they affiliate with.

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John Bolton is right to question this NEI. It appears to have political undertones.

The National Intelligence Council, which produced the NIE, is chaired by Thomas Fingar, “a State Department intelligence analyst with no known overseas experience who briefly headed the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research,” I wrote in my book "Shadow Warriors: The Untold Story of Traitors, Saboteurs, and the Party of Surrender."

Fingar was a key partner of Senate Democrats in their successful effort to derail the confirmation of John Bolton in the spring of 2005 to become the U.S. permanent representative to the United Nations.


As the head of the NIC, Fingar has gone out of his way to fire analysts “who asked the wrong questions,” and who challenged the politically-correct views held by Fingar and his former State Department colleagues, as revealed in "Shadow Warriors." ....

Collaborating with Fingar on the Iran estimate, released on Monday, were Kenneth Brill, the director of the National Counterproliferation Center, and Vann H. Van Diepen, the National Intelligence officer for Weapons of Mass Destruction and Proliferation.

“Van Diepen was an enormous problem,” a former colleague of his from the State Department told me when I was fact gathering for "Shadow Warriors."

“He was insubordinate, hated WMD sanctions, and strived not to implement them,” even though it was his specific responsibility at State to do so, the former colleague told me.

Kenneth Brill, also a career foreign service officer, had been the U.S. representative to the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna in 2003-2004 before he was forced into retirement.

"Shadow Warrior" reports, “While in Vienna, Brill consistently failed to confront Iran once its clandestine nuclear weapons program was exposed in February 2003, and had to be woken up with the bureaucratic equivalent of a cattle prod to deliver a single speech condemning Iran’s eighteen year history of nuclear cheating.”

Negroponte rehabilitated Brill and brought the man who single-handedly failed to object to Iran’s nuclear weapons program and put him in charge of counter-proliferation efforts for the entire intelligence community.

Christian Westermann, another favorite of Senate Democrats in the Bolton confirmation hearings, was among the career State Department analysts tapped by Fingar and Brill.

As a State Department intelligence analyst, Westermann had missed the signs of biological weapons development in Cuba, and played into the hands of Castro apologist Sen. Christopher Dodd, D, Conn., by continuing to use impeached intelligence reports on Cuba that had been written by self-avowed Cuban spy, Ana Belen Montes.

Newsmax.com - U.S. Intel Possibly Duped by Iran