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Old 06-02-2008, 01:06 PM
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Ahmadinejad: Israel Will Soon Disappear

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad predicted that Muslims would uproot “satanic powers” and reaffirmed his prediction that the Jewish state will soon be wiped off the map, the Agence France-Presse news agency reported Monday.

"Today, the time for the fall of the satanic power of the United States has come and the countdown to the annihilation of the emperor of power and wealth has started," the hard-line president said.

Ahmadinejad is a devotee of the Mahdi, who Shiites believe disappeared more than a thousand years ago and will return to bring a new era of peace and harmony, the AFP reported.




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This is the leader of Iran that Obama wants to sit down with and work out some sort of agreement?!? What the fk?
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OK to talk with these religious fundamentalist but not those fundamentalist ?

from 1998 -- sure there's more and newer, but -- we'll talk with these idiots -- why not Iran ? Is there a difference in fundamentalist BS ?

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When Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visited Washington this past January, his initial meeting was not with President Clinton but with Jerry Falwell and more than 1,000 fundamentalist Christians. The crowd saluted the prime minister as "the Ronald Reagan of Israel," and Falwell pledged to contact more than 200,000 evangelical pastors, asking them to "tell President Clinton to refrain from putting pressure on Israel" to comply with the Oslo accords.

The meeting between Netanyahu and Falwell illustrates a remarkable political and theological convergence. The link between Israelis Likud government and the U.S. Religious Right was established by Natanyahu's mentor, Menachem Begin, during the Carter and Reagan administrations. However, the roots of evangelical support for Israel lie in the long tradition of Christian thinking about the millennium.

In Luke's account of the ascension, the disciples ask Jesus, "Lord, is this the time when you will restore the Kingdom to Israel?" The question illustrates the early church's fascination with Israel and its prophetic role at the end of history--a fascination that continues to this day. Reflections on the end times draw on the Book of Daniel, Zechariah 9-14, Ezekiel 38-39 and various apocryphal books, as well as Matthew 24, the early Pauline letters (1 Thess. 4:16-17; 5:1-11) and the Book of Revelation.

An early version of Christian eschatology, called "historic premillennialism," held that Jesus would return and establish his millennial kingdom after the world had been evangelized. However, by the 18th century another model of eschatology emerged in England that emphasized the role of a reconstituted Israel in the end times. This eschatology was rooted in three streams of British Christianity: the piety of English Puritanism; the view that Britain was the "new Israel," a theme that dates back at least to the seventh century and the Venerable Bede; and a hermeneutic that interpreted biblical prophetic texts as having a literal, future fulfillment. Among the forerunners of this movement was Sir Henry Finch, a prominent lawyer and member of Parliament. In 1621, Finch wrote a treatise in which he called upon the British people and its government to support Jewish settlement in Palestine in order to fulfill biblical prophecy.
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the Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, Christians United for Israel (CUFI) is a Christian Zionist advocacy organization that promotes the idea that Christians “have a biblical obligation to defend Israel.”1CUFI supports aggressive U.S. action against what it sees as threats to Israel from “new Hitlers,” who in the group’s estimation include Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. According to CUFI’s website, “Bible-believing Christians must speak up and stand up for Israel. We must act to do whatever we can to protect Israel’s 6 million Jews from the second Holocaust. We must get it right this time. Our faith demands it. The times require it. Silence is not an option.”2
Similar to the way the neoconservative group Project for the New American Century brought together different political factions behind its call for a militarist Middle East agenda (including ousting Saddam Hussein from Iraq), CUFI has brought together disparate sectors of the American Right—including Christian conservatives, Republican Party insiders, and neoconservatives—behind a vision of Mideast peace that is rooted in CUFI’s belief that Israel plays a key part in the fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

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Just another scare story from desperate Republicans - and surprise, surprise, its comes from Fox!

Why not mention positive stories such as:

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Abbas-Olmert in new peace talks

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Nuclear inspectors to visit Syria
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from 1998 -- sure there's more and newer, but -- we'll talk with these idiots -- why not Iran ? Is there a difference in fundamentalist BS ?...
I haven’t noticed any Christian groups beating women in public for not wearing a proper head scarf or executing gays in public hangings. If you can’t see a difference you have a problem.
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Just another scare story from desperate Republicans - and surprise, surprise, its comes from Fox!....
FOX sources the story to AFP, a world news outlet. This is hardly something dreamed up by Republicans as a scare tactic. But by all means, stick your head in the sand and pretend its just American politics.

AFP: Ahmadinejad says Israel will soon disappear

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You're right -- the beatings are private ...

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I haven’t noticed any Christian groups beating women in public for not wearing a proper head scarf or executing gays in public hangings. If you can’t see a difference you have a problem
And we take gay rights away by vote -- much more polite. Hangings in public stopped many decades ago, but do google == tulsa race riots 1920s == or like that to see how different we were .... not....

And of course, our friends the Saudi's still do the public death scenes -- but that's OK by Bush -- they're our allies and friends.......... right ? Big difference, duh...
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And we take gay rights away by vote -- much more polite.
I would take that over getting killed any day. And what rights have we taken away? The right to be married? Ummmmm....I do believe that there are certain criteria everyone has to meet to be legally married so it is not a "right". Americans have the "right" to not like anyone, or anything, for any reason. They do not have the right to punish them for that. If you kill someone because they are gay, you get a stricter punishment than if you kill them for the hell of it. You want your partner to have everything you own when you die, make a will or a living trust. Name them as your benificiary on your life insurance policy. Hell, I am all for everybody getting the same treatment and changing the laws so that a civil union (or whatever) gets the benies as a married couple.....but I am not for changing the legal definition just so homosexuals can feel better.

Also....when was the last time you saw a Christian group organize an army, control the country and threaten to exterminate an entire country because they were Jewish? (They also have to have the ability to do it, so the KKK don't count) Comparing Iran and it's leader to Jerry Falwell........whatever.
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