Accident on 6th st

[Lone Gunman]

Originally Posted by TheWizzard

Ok.. after reading all the posts about how there was drinking involved at a bar, and why they ( the bar owners) cited for underage drinking, but the next question is IF they did run to Mexico ( that is the rumor i heard) then why dont our police go get them? If we know who it is, and we know where he went, then why cant we take care of business? Does that mean that the kids that did come back get to " pay " while the other kid gets to run?

Mexico will only give us the people we don't want.

[The Drifter]

Originally Posted by TexKan

I forgot your quincerretias are held in bars...... I shoulda known better......I forgot. Ours are all at VFW's, KOC, LULAC, - you get the point - our bars are not "rented out" for private parties cause we don't have "private" bars.

The quincenerra i attended was not at a bar, so not all quincenerras are held at bars. I'm williing to bet our KoC and VFW have hosted quincenerras.

[TexKan]

I'm willing to bet that Patty at the VFW doesn't allow underage drinkin either. I know you have to buy the liqiour from her or it's a no drink party....... My second home was the VFW. Don't know bout the KOC - and I didn't say all you your quinc.... were at bars...... it was someone elses quote - I don't think it was meant as an ABSOLUTE...... sorry maybe should have said most....... I know that a very large majority of them were out at City Limits. Then they decided he charged to much or sumthin....... Out there I know they could do anything...........that's just what City Limits is about. BTW Drifter - nice to see ya again.......haven't seen ya around - glad your back!!

[dustinwadams5]

Ok, now what's wrong with -rent-a-cops-? But on to the point even the VFW and KoC have problems with alcohol at the sweet 16 parties(I've worked those also) someone buys it from the bar and gives it to the minors. Happens all the time, it can't b stopped just contained as much as possible.

[Horse]

Has anyone heard if they caught the driver yet?

[TexKan]

Oh Puleeeeze - NUTHIN is wrong with rent a cops - they just can't arrest and if stuff like that is goin on you need to be able to detain and arrest. Of course lots of cops will look the other way - rent or otherwise - just depends on what kinda admin you have and if they will back the cop or not.

I guess down here maybe they do things a little different. Don't know but I do know that IF Patty were aware of underage drinkin at the V - it wouldn't happen - Tom Sanko would shut that down so fast they wouldn't have time to say "adios" I'm really sad to hear that the V would allow anything like that cause I have been a life time member for years......... historically we kinda like to keep the drinkin to the legal side.

So Dustin don't get rowdy......... rent a cops are fine - there is a need for security at many levels - ya don't have to be a pistol packin one or a certified one to get a point across. Respect should be given to anyone putting thier very exhistance on the line. I honestly have not heard of one quincerria gone bad in 2 years in Houston or anywhere else. We have shootings everyday and Houston's crime rate is up 50% compared to last year but not one has been a 16 BD party. Pool Halls are the favorite shoot out place - Slick Willie's is a constant.

Sounds like your PD policy is to look the other way........ really sad cause I promise ya any cop - rent or not would probably prefer to do the right thing. Ya can only do what your PD policy allows ya to do. Got sumthin like that going on now in Houston concerning high speed chases.......

[The Drifter]

Originally Posted by dustinwadams5

Ok, now what's wrong with -rent-a-cops-?

Most of them...nothing.
It's the others that kinda bring 'em down though. Some rent a cops act as if they are the law themselves. Some of them wield guns when they (in my mind) aren't competent to use one.

Much like the quinceneras(and other things as well), not all are bad...but the bad apples ruin the bunch. It's a lot easier to look on the negative than to focus on the positive.


BTW: Texkan, i never left put periodically i obstain from discussion. Kinda reminds me of an Abraham Lincoln quote.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
I'll always be around, it's just a matter if i want to talk or not.

PS---Thats what the alphabet would look like without Q and R

[dustinwadams5]

I wasn't getting riled up, just giving ya a hard time. As for the VFW I know they try their best to keep the minors from drinking and I don't fault them, but there are just so many ways a minor can get a drink that you can't stop them all, but I do have this much to say the VFW has always backed us up when we would catch an underage drinker and try to throw them out. Drifter I agree there are some sweet 16 parties where this doesn't go on, so forgive me if I made it sound like all were. I agree with the security thinking they are the law. I very seldom carried any kind of weapon (usually just pepperspray and occasionally an expandable baton) but I have gotten rid of so many security guards because of that very problem. People like that probably got beat up in school and they feel tough and want to feel powerful. If they worked with me, they didn't last one night because they just cause more trouble than they help. A crowd will take on the same demeanor as your guards. If they see a security guard walking around with his chest out and this tough-guy attitude, they are gonna wanna prove him wrong.

[agnostic]

underage drinking is rampant in dodge city. much more abundant than you will ever concieve. drug use is high too. and not just pot..

problem with underage drinking is not the underage part, or even the drinking. it's the driving. are we taking any steps to prevent it? no. are we taking steps to stop it? yes, cops. does it work? no. im no genius and i dont have the answers but i'll tell you the problem is bigger than you think.

[pootsy]

Originally Posted by The Drifter

This could all be wrong, but this is how i percieve the law to be:
wouldnt the event held at the bar be considered a personal event? If the place has been rented by a family and is not open to the public then the police wouldn't be able to come in and bust them unless they have reasonable cause. They can't say, "well, other quinceneras have underage kids drinking so this does too." They can't raid a private party just as well as they can't come into your house to see if there are underage kids drinking. Ultimately it falls on the adults and those who run that business. If they don't want underage kids drinking in their place they have say over it.

BTW. I'm willing to bet that ABC busts those places that sell/serve alcohol to minors and are NOT owned by white people. You actually think they give a break to those who are not white?????

Drifter a bar is a bar and a liquor license is a liquor license and as long as that license is on that wall they have to abide by all state rules and regulations of the ABC liquor laws, whether its a private party or not. Now lets even go furthur into this subject and look at the people drinking with little kids around. For one I have seen even infant babies in these bars at these parties and have you ever been to a hispanic bar and heard how loud their music is??? what about all the smoke? the drinking? All of the above!!! I think the whole thing is ridiculous and dangerous for little kids and the Teenage 16 year old daughter that the party is thrown for!! Now as for what Dustin said about how he disagrees with me, well yes I stand corrected because Las Palmas got busted here while back for something, can't rememeber what but I think underage drinking, but don't quote me on that. Also people I do not have anything against hispanics, mexicans or all of the above, however I do have a problem with all of the other shit I have said to you all.