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[flange]

Originally Posted by wordsmythe

Take your own advice. If you don't like what Imus has to say, switch to a different show more to your liking.

Prove to me that the women on this team never used the word "Ho" and define "Nappy" and I might see a point.

If I or the Rutger's team had an audience of millions listening to one of us speak, I'd agree with you. It terms of the damage any of us can do with our words, your argument is like comparing a hand gun to a nuclear weapon. If Imus had said what he said to a friend at a bar, or in his home, etc., this whole thing would be completely different. Heck, if one of the Rutgers players had said "ho" on national TV in the same context Imus did and she should feel the exact same heat. I don't want a double standard, but I also don't feel any sympathy for Imus.

[wordsmythe]

But the double standard exists.

Chris Rock can make fun of white people stereotypes and all we are supposed to do is laugh.

I listened to Im us acouple of times and realized he was mostly full of shit and I wasn't his audience... so I turned him off. The only people who listened to him as a regular audience were the ones who already think like him so how does/should that impact anyone outside that group?

[Tee]

The double standard exists everywhere for minorities. Whites are held to a totally different standard than all other minorities.

Chris Rock is just one out of hundreds of examples that could be presented- Richard Prior, Red Foxx and even Eddie Murphy have catapulted their careers using white racial material. But as long as it;s toward whites, we have grown to let that slide. The same lines, with a black connotation would not be tolerated. Not just in humor, but the double standard is becoming part of everything..


What do you think would happen if there became such a thing as the "United Whites College Fund", or "White Starz Television Channel" or a million man march for whites, or "Bay Area White Nurses", or the "San Francisco White Firefighters Association", "National Council of White Women, and so on and so on. All of these groups exist in the black form, but shit would hit the fan if any group tried to form that was specifically for whites. We think nothing of it when it's a Black or Latino group...at least we aren't supposed to. Oh no, We must be PC.


The truth is, for the past 10-20 years, it's bad to be white. We've been taight by society that the minorities are underdogs so they can do and say things that whites cannot..and the divide is growing.

When was the last time you've seen a white actor, leader or politician get on TV and make a huge deal about a black person making a racial remark about whites. It hasn't happened, and if it did it wouldn't be sensational enough to make news.

The double standard is prominent and unambiguous. To deny it exists is being unrealistic.

I want to have the same rights as them, be able to join a white club, get a white scholarship, watch an all white channel without someone calling me racist- they can. Most of all, want to be able to talk about it without being called a racist, they're not.

I didn't own any slaves, nor did my father, grandfather or great-grandfather- I owe no penance. Why am I being held to different standards just because I am white?

[Bubba]

Originally Posted by Tee

What do you think would happen if there became such a thing as the "United Whites College Fund", or "White Starz Television Channel" or a million man march for whites, or "Bay Area White Nurses", or the "San Francisco White Firefighters Association", "National Council of White Women, and so on and so on. All of these groups exist in the black form, but shit would hit the fan if any group tried to form that was specifically for whites. We think nothing of it when it's a Black or Latino group...at least we aren't supposed to. Oh no, We must be PC.

Don't forget about the NAAWP, the National Association for the Advancement of White People! Or White Entertainment Television.

[flange]

Originally Posted by wordsmythe

But the double standard exists.

Chris Rock can make fun of white people stereotypes and all we are supposed to do is laugh.

I listened to Im us acouple of times and realized he was mostly full of shit and I wasn't his audience... so I turned him off. The only people who listened to him as a regular audience were the ones who already think like him so how does/should that impact anyone outside that group?

True. Chris Rock, Dave Chapelle, etc., are able to get away with a lot of race jokes that white comedians simply can't get away with. We, as a society, allow minority comedians to get away with it, perhaps because we think we owe it to them. It would be nice if we can get past it, but it seems that we view it as a vehicle for racial bonding right now. I don't know if it really works like that, but it seems to be one reason we're letting it slide.

Whether or not Imus' audience agrees with the things he says, I think that him saying it makes it more acceptable for others to say it too. I think there is harm in that. Even Chris Rock has come around and decided that what he says in his acts can make things more acceptable in society.

Here is the interesting part from this link:

"I guess a routine like 'n------ and black people' is something a ghetto snob would write," says Rock.

This controversial routine on HBO's "Bring The Pain," made Rock a star back in 1996: "There’s, like, a civil war going on with black people, and there’s two sides. There’s black people, and there’s n------. And n------ have to go."

Why does he think it got so much attention?

"I think a lot of people were thinking in those terms and hadn’t been able to say it. By the way, I’ve never done that joke again, ever, and I probably never will," says Rock. "‘Cause some people that were racist thought they had license to say n-----. So, I’m done with that routine."

Like I said, I don't want the double standard. That doesn't excuse what Imus said, though.

[flange]

Originally Posted by Tee

What do you think would happen if there became such a thing as the "United Whites College Fund", or "White Starz Television Channel" or a million man march for whites, or "Bay Area White Nurses", or the "San Francisco White Firefighters Association", "National Council of White Women, and so on and so on. All of these groups exist in the black form, but shit would hit the fan if any group tried to form that was specifically for whites. We think nothing of it when it's a Black or Latino group...at least we aren't supposed to. Oh no, We must be PC.

True. The shit would hit the fan. I certainly don't think all of those organizations are good in the grand scheme of things. Some are, others aren't.

The truth is, for the past 10-20 years, it's bad to be white. We've been taight by society that the minorities are underdogs so they can do and say things that whites cannot..and the divide is growing.

Being white in America has been an advantage from day one, and while maybe the advantage is shrinking (not very fast), there is still an advantage.

When was the last time you've seen a white actor, leader or politician get on TV and make a huge deal about a black person making a racial remark about whites. It hasn't happened, and if it did it wouldn't be sensational enough to make news.

I don't honestly remember any times when a black public figure on the level of Don Imus has said anything quite like he said, but about white people. If and when that happens, there damn well better be someone calling him out about it.

The double standard is prominent and unambiguous. To deny it exists is being unrealistic.

I readily admit that a double standard exists. That still doesn't justify what Imus said.

I didn't own any slaves, nor did my father, grandfather or great-grandfather- I owe no penance. Why am I being held to different standards just because I am white?

You do realize that widespread, government-sponsored racial discrimination toward blacks in America did not end when the slaves were freed, right? This country had discrimination built into its legislation for nearly 200 years. Some would argue that there still is discriminatory legislation, it's just a lot more subtle now. According to you, things have only swung the other direction for about 20 years now.

This reverse-discrimination amounts to:

• clubs
• scholarships
• a TV channel
• a white DJ getting a lot of heat for a massively broadcast racist and sexist comment

It does not involve:

• slavery
• voting rights
• being legally treated as a 2nd class citizen

Pardon me if I don't feel your pain.

[wordsmythe]

Originally Posted by flange

This reverse-discrimination amounts to:

• clubs
• scholarships
• a TV channel
• a white DJ getting a lot of heat for a massively broadcast racist and sexist comment

It does not involve:

• slavery
• voting rights
• being legally treated as a 2nd class citizen

Pardon me if I don't feel your pain.

This is still "separate but equal" thinking and no matter how small it is it's still making it OK for people to think it's all OK.

[JayhawkMom]

Originally Posted by wordsmythe

They are only words. Words only have as much power as the person hearing them gives to these words.

If an idiot calls you a name and you get upset byt you've given all the power to an idiot.

What does that make you?

Words can hurt, words can motivate murder, words are powerful.......

Call me what you want, but go after my kids, and the fight is on.

[JayhawkMom]

Originally Posted by TexKan

I think there are boundaries and "idiot" is not the terms used by Imus. It was wrong, it was in very bad taste, and it should not be on public airways. I don't think he needed to be fired but I don't think this should be swept under the rug by using the "sticks and stones analagy"................ He needs to go to Sirius with the rest of the Sterns.

Having that kind of language and program on the TV is like saying it's ok for someone to pick thier nose at a black tie dinner - just cause they do good things for the community................. no it's not and he should clean up his act before he gets back on the radio and TV.

Personally I wish he would clean up his act some cause I kinda liked him but his brashness really turned me off his program. I wasn't a listener to begin with but that doesn't mean it shoulda been on public airwaves. Ya otta pay for that crap just like ya do Necked News..............

Bubba made a very good point tho................. God I hate race issues.........

Texie.......this is an EXCELLENT post. You are wise sista!

[TigerEyes]

Originally Posted by JayhawkMom

Words can hurt, words can motivate murder, words are powerful.......

Call me what you want, but go after my kids, and the fight is on.

You just proved Wordsmythe's point.