5 Years ago TODAY!

[88-31-10]

Yeah and when we left Vietnam all of Southeast Asia was gonna topple like dominoes and fall into the hands of the evil communists and democracy and the American way of life would be end forever and yada, yada, yada.

[Binky Bainbridge]

Originally Posted by 88-31-10

Yeah and when we left Vietnam all of Southeast Asia was gonna topple like dominoes and fall into the hands of the evil communists and democracy and the American way of life would be end forever and yada, yada, yada.

Totally agree 88-31-10, the fear factor then was based around the "Domino Theory" that all south-east Asia would, one-by-one, turn commie heaven forbid!
Now you can go onto the Vietnamese Tourism site and book a room at the Sheraton Saigon hotel or read about:

US group plans five billion USD resort in Danang
Wednesday, 09 April 2008

The US-based Oak Tree Group has revealed a plan to build a five billion USD resort in Lien Chieu district, central Danang city. The group presented the project, the biggest of its kind in Vietnam so far, to leaders of the municipal People’s Committee on April 7.
The 500 ha Sunrise resort will house a golf course, a therapeutic centre, villas, high-end hotels, a marina, a telpher route, a heliport and a casino. Once fully operational, the project will generate jobs for more than 10,000 local workers, according to the group’s leaders.

Vietnamtourism

Returning to Iraq the essential truth remains that:

1) there were no WMD
2) there were no links to Al Qaeda
3) there was no connection to 9/11 attacks

but there was OIL, and plenty of it! Also Saddam was seriously considering changing the sale of his oil from US$ to Euros, a worry for the US government who feared that if this caught on with other oil producing states it could adversely affect the US dollar.

In September 2002, Tony Blair stated, in an answer to a parliamentary question, that “regime change in Iraq would be a wonderful thing. That is not the purpose of our action; our purpose is to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction…”
In November of that year, Tony Blair further stated that “So far as our objective, it is disarmament, not regime change - that is our objective. Now I happen to believe the regime of Saddam is a very brutal and repressive regime, I think it does enormous damage to the Iraqi people... so I have got no doubt Saddam is very bad for Iraq, but on the other hand I have got no doubt either that the purpose of our challenge from the United Nations is disarmament of weapons of mass destruction, it is not regime change.”

The sooner the US (& Britain), pulls out the better for everyone. Being there ensures we remain part of the problem not part of the solution. Arabs have never liked infidels occupying their lands as the failure of the crusades proved. Of course the US won't whilst Cheney has anything to do with it!

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by BroncoFan

I do agree we should not have bothered with Iraq, but
I still feel better/safer now that Sadam Hussein is out of power.

I just wish congress and Papa Bush had finished this job in the early 90s.

FWIW..."Papa" Bush DID finish the job in '91. The UN resolution was to push Iraq out of Kuwait, that was the mission that the coalition was there for. When that happened and Iraq signed the cease fire agreement it was over. We were not there for regime change, to overthrow any gov't or such...just to remove Iraq from Kuwait...which we did. So in essence "papa" Bush DID accomplish the mission.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by jeezeweeze

Know when I will feel better Army ? I will feel better when America citizens are not used by a nation rich with oil, depending on our taxes to rebuild what we have destroyed....while removing the tyrant that we put in power in the first place.( Get out your credit card for the rest of the clean up Mohammad. Sorry bout your luck... sucks to be you.)

When Americans finest are not being killed by IED's, When Americans finest are not coming home maimed and sent to a inadequate, antiquated system for their injuries. JUST LIKE VIETFREAKINGNAM.
In other words. THERE AINT NO FEELING BETTER FOR A LITTLE OLE WOMAN UP OVAH IN HEAH... while she is still able to understand what is happening to our country brought on by an egomaniac.

I wont live to see the day when times are better, because its gonna take the rest of my life for ANY ADMINISTRATION to clean up the mess that King George has created for himself and his cohorts amusement and profits.

Lest you forget the 3000+ that were killed and maimed in the WTC attack. I believe (just my thoughts so back off lady..lol) that if we DON'T have soldiers (that volunteer by the way) in Iraq, Afghanistan and others places to numerous to mention, doing what they do best (and yes sometimes dying) that we WILL have it here. I don't want to see ANYONE killed or maimed and in your idealist little mind of a perfect world I guess that is the way it would be..but guess what, we don't LIVE in THAT world. I would rather have soldiers doing what they do and unfortunately paying the price that see KIDS or MOTHERS here being carried away in body bags or stretchers because a mall or daycare was blown up by some terrorist. If you think the Islamic fundamentalist DON'T want that to happen you are naive beyond reason. Either WE take the FIGHT to THEM or they come here. Which one would you prefer. There's no good choice in that matter but that's why we have people running the country to make those decisions for us. You would shut your windows and blinds and ignore what's going on around you until they are burning your house down...then what? You can either be proactive or reactive...take your pick. We REACTED to 9/11 because Clinton FAILED to be PROACTIVE. NOW Bush is being PROACTIVE and you are bitching....what do you want?

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by Mike B.

To be honest I have not read every post on this thread...but here's what I think...

If we pull out of Iraq and bring our troops home Iraq would be taken over by either Iran, Al Queda, Taliban or a combination of all three. All three are terrorists organizations and would love to control Iraq. It would become a safe haven for terrorists and become a base of operations for terrorist attacts against you, me, our children and our grandchildren.

If we leave now we will never go back. No President would ever be willing to stick their neck out and put troops back in and have a military presence in that country again. (just what the terrorists want)

We will NEVER win the war against terrorists! We will always have young men and women die in an effort to guard our families and our homeland. The best we can ever hope for is to hold the enemy at bay, maybe just long enough to find out where they plan on attacking us next and hopefully, just hopefully, stop another 9/11.

Very good post Mike. I would agree. As long as we lead our way of life (and there is nothing wrong with that despite what some of the Dems will tell you) there will be people that don't like the way we live (see..Islamic fundamentalists) and want to hurt us. Like I tried to explain to JW (probably to no avail) that either we have SOLDIERS making the sacrifice or we sacrifice our women and children again like 9/11. I will pick the soldiers 10 times out of 10. I guess JW see's it another way.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by Binky Bainbridge

The sooner the US (& Britain), pulls out the better for everyone. Being there ensures we remain part of the problem not part of the solution. Arabs have never liked infidels occupying their lands as the failure of the crusades proved. Of course the US won't whilst Cheney has anything to do with it!

Really? Ask SGT T what some of the locals think about us being there and what do they think will happen if we (the soldiers) leave?

Furthermore we are not OCCUPYING Iraq.

[wordsmythe]

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

Furthermore we are not OCCUPYING Iraq.

How cute... You're pretending to be Karl Rove.


9/11 happened because Bush chose to ignore the information he had telling him it was coming.

And YOU are still trying to tie Iraq to that whole mess. The Bushies made that up, you bought into it and now desperately are trying to convince people who think for themselves of it.

[Binky Bainbridge]

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

We were not there for regime change, to overthrow any gov't or such...

So why did it change for the second invasion?

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

Furthermore we are not OCCUPYING Iraq.

.... oh I get it, you're just there setting up McDonald franchises are you? I just saw a pig fly past my window ....

[88-31-10]

Originally Posted by Binky Bainbridge

So why did it change for the second invasion?


.... oh I get it, you're just there setting up McDonald franchises are you? I just saw a pig fly past my window ....

I think that was Dick Cheney...........the flying pig.

[notyoubob]

Originally Posted by Army_of_One

Furthermore we are not OCCUPYING Iraq.

Sounds like this is coming from the Ministry of Truth's doublethink division.
Orwell only missed his prophecy by a couple of decades.