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Old 08-25-2008, 04:29 AM
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Obama Sued in Philadelphia Federal Court on Grounds he is Constitutionally Ineligible

(Will the law suit be allowed to proceed and why just a few days before the convention?)

"A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.

Philip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit--just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver--for the health of the Democratic Party.

"I filed this action at this time," Berg stated, "to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.".

Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator's background, and in today's lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls "dual loyalties" due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.

Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.

In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

Berg cites inconsistent accounts of Sen. Obama's birth, including reports that he was born at two separate hospitals--Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital--in Honolulu, as well a profound lack of birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham, though simple "registry of birth" records for Barack Obama are available in a Hawaiian public records office.

Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.

Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed "natural born," that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama's registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.

The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama's half-sister.

"Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Sen. Obama's lies and obfuscations," Berg stated. "If the DNC officers ... had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship as prescribed by constitutional laws."

"It is unfair to the country," he continued, "for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of the ability to serve if elected.""

Obama Sued in Philadelphia Federal Court on Grounds he is Constitutionally Ineligible for the Presidency
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I can't highlight on this snopes page for some reason. But if you're looking for a quickie...scroll to the last paragraph.

snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.?
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I guess the courts will decide....
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Old 08-25-2008, 09:03 AM
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Team Obama created the controversy by withholding copies of the birth certificate for a couple of months after reporters ask for it. Then the only release was a Photoshopped copy posted on the Obama website and cross posted at the beacon of BS, the DKos. Because there was no independent verification of the document, rumors still grew. My remarks from a week ago….

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...To the best of my knowledge it’s accepted that he was born in Hawaii and if the DNC hasn’t checked it out by now they are far more stupid than I give them credit for....
It has been checked out. Unlike Snopes who accepted the contested Internet copy, FactCheck.org examined the real thing.

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

Because of the timing and because the guy filing suit is a Clinton supporter, my view is that this is just a distraction going into the convention. It’s a distraction to cause delegates to think twice about nominating a candidate that could have problems. I’ve said repeatedly to never underestimate the Clintons. It’s their norm to stand aside giving them plausible deniability while their operatives do the dirty work.

Hillary is supposed to release her delegates on Wednesday and the roll call vote is Thursday. Several of her pledged delegates have said that their vote is owned by the voters that sent them and they will cast it accordingly.

It ain’t over until it's over.
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- desperation stakes ... clutch at any straw .....
HWY had an intelligent, fact based response and what you put forth in return is some stupid picture someone make that is probably a bumper sticker. Why don't you take a minute to address the actual issue? Is that how you roll in England or is it just a democratic thing?

DESPERATION is what you just posted......because you are void of anything of substance.
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DESPERATION is what you just posted......because you are void of anything of substance.
But all you do is "cut & paste", that doesn't call for much effort!
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But all you do is "cut & paste", that doesn't call for much effort!
Is it about effort or substance? A lot of things you post are pasted from other websites as are many others on here. What's your point? You pasted that ludicris bumper sticker in response to HWY's post. Again...instead of answering the question you respond with an attack. I asked why you had such an inane remark to what HWY posted...and all you come back with is that I cut and paste? You are out there man.....wayyyyyyy out there.
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When you post something original that is of substance I'll respond but why should I do so when all you post are inconsequential little predictable pieces that you've obviously taken from elsewhere?

Come out with your own original thoughts for a change instead of regurgitating other people's opinions or views - you remind me so much of the old fella ....
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