Democratic Caucus Day

[Detector]

Typically my luck with politics. The very worst scenario is what seems to be happening. McCain vs Clinton. The worst of the worst. I'd rather see Obama in office than McCain and thats just sad.

I think we are seeing many fear votes for the Democrats. Lots of Independents and Republicans voting for Obama because the fear the possibility that McCain might win the Republican nomination and Clinton the Democratic. A loose loose situation. The only option is to work toward keeping McCain and Clinton out.

[CRAZY HORSE]

I Am Still Trying To Find Out How Much Military Time The Illinois Senator Has?

[TexKan]

Originally Posted by Detector

Typically my luck with politics. The very worst scenario is what seems to be happening. McCain vs Clinton. The worst of the worst. I'd rather see Obama in office than McCain and thats just sad.

I think we are seeing many fear votes for the Democrats. Lots of Independents and Republicans voting for Obama because the fear the possibility that McCain might win the Republican nomination and Clinton the Democratic. A loose loose situation. The only option is to work toward keeping McCain and Clinton out.

The only thing I'm fearful of is "more of the same" I don't consider that a fearful vote - I think it's a vote for change. and a "yes we can" attitude. Kinda refreshing IMHO. I see you are beginning to see the light as well. Ya know you just have to vote your good common sense and not your party.

[Detector]

Ya know you just have to vote your good common sense and not your party.

True!

My concern is that Obama don't even come close to what I want in a President, it's just that McCain is like Clinton, that last person I would want.

I've take those on line questioners to see who best matches your needs and Obama hasn't even been in the running. Although McCain has, his stance on immigration has me looking elsewhere.

Just another sad election that makes me ask why I even bother.

[Army_of_One]

Originally Posted by Detector

True!

My concern is that Obama don't even come close to what I want in a President, it's just that McCain is like Clinton, that last person I would want.

I've take those on line questioners to see who best matches your needs and Obama hasn't even been in the running. Although McCain has, his stance on immigration has me looking elsewhere.

Just another sad election that makes me ask why I even bother.

I wonder the same thing sometimes. There are a lot of people on the DB that call themselves Conservative but say they may vote for Obama for a "change". I can understand why some would want change. I want change but why would they want to change to the FAR LEFT which is where Obama and Clinton are? That doesn't make sense to me.

[Sherry_Giskie]

Originally Posted by CRAZY HORSE

I Am Still Trying To Find Out How Much Military Time The Illinois Senator Has?

Why is that required for you?

[wordsmythe]

Background on Presidents and their millitary history
Taken from US Presidents: Lists and Records

other interesting lists are there as well.




Presidential Military Experience

Presidents who served in wars

• George Washington - Commander in Chief of Continental Army during the American Revolution.
• James Monroe - served in American Revolution
• Andrew Jackson - American Revolution, War of 1812, First Seminole War
• William Henry Harrison - Indian wars in the NW territory, War of 1812
• John Tyler - War of 1812
• Zachary Taylor - War of 1812, Black Hawk, Second Seminole, and Mexican wars
• Franklin Pierce - Mexican War
• James Buchanan - War of 1812
• Abraham Lincoln - Black Hawk War
• Andrew Johnson - Civil War
• Ulysses Grant - Mexican War, Civil War
• Rutherford Hayes - Civil War
• James Garfield - Civil War
• Chester Arthur - Civil War
• Benjamin Harrison - Civil War
• William McKinley - Civil War
• Theodore Roosevelt - Spanish-American War
• Harry Truman - WWI
• Dwight Eisenhower - WWII General
• John Kennedy - WWII
• Lyndon Johnson - WWII
• Richard Nixon - WWII
• Gerald Ford - WWII
• George Bush - WWII

Presidents who were in the military but who saw no action

• James Madison
• James Polk
• Millard Fillmore
• Jimmy Carter
• Ronald Reagan - kept out of combat due to bad eyesight
• George W. Bush

Presidents with no military experience

• John Adams
• Thomas Jefferson
• John Quincy Adams
• Martin Van Buren
• Grover Cleveland
• William Taft
• Woodrow Wilson
• Warren Harding
• Calvin Coolidge
• Herbert Hoover
• Franklin Roosevelt
• Bill Clinton

Presidents during wartime

• George Washington: war with Native Americans in Ohio
• Thomas Jefferson: Tripolitan War, 1800-1805, against the Barbary pirates
• James Madison - War of 1812, 1812-1814, against the British
• James Monroe - First Seminole War, 1817-1818
• Andrew Jackson - Black Hawk War, 1832
• Martin Van Buren - Aroostook War, 1839; Second Seminole War - ended 1842
• William Henry Harrison - Second Seminole War - ended 1842
• John Tyler - Second Seminole War - ended 1842
• James Polk - Mexican War
• James Buchanan - beginning of the Civil War
• Abraham Lincoln - Civil War, 1861-1865
• William McKinley - Spanish-American War, 1898; Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1900
• Woodrow Wilson - WWI, 1914-1918
• Warren Harding - formally concluded WWI
• Franklin Roosevelt - WWII, 1941-1945
• Harry Truman - conclusion of WWII, Korean War - 1950-1953
• Dwight Eisenhower - conclusion of Korean War
• John Kennedy - Bay of Pigs Invasion, 1961; beginning of Vietnam War
• Lyndon Johnson - Vietnam War, Dominican Republic, 1965
• Richard Nixon - Vietnam War
• Ronald Reagan - Grenada Invasion, 1983
• George Bush - Invasion of Panama, 1989-1990; Persian Gulf War, 1990-1991
• George W. Bush - War against the Taliban, Iraq, 2001 to present.

[TexKan]

I always have believed that my politics or my level of conservatism is not to be judged by others. Those who can't believe my politics are just party puppets. I choose not to be that. I do believe change is needed and I'm willing to take my chances on someone who seems genuinely able to cross boundaries - party be damned.

[Sherry_Giskie]

Originally Posted by TexKan

I always have believed that my politics or my level of conservatism is not to be judged by others. Those who can't believe my politics are just party puppets. I choose not to be that. I do believe change is needed and I'm willing to take my chances on someone who seems genuinely able to cross boundaries - party be damned.

[Army_of_One]

Sherry...how do you feel about illegal immigration? Do you want to give amnesty to those that are here now or would you rather see tougher laws protecting our citizens and making it difficult for those here illegally to take advantage of gov benefits?