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__________________ *** If the government of the United States was serious about the invasion of our nation by illegal aliens, they would do more about it. And if you do not think this is an invasion, then try and stop it. *** A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have -- Thomas Jefferson *** "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil but because of those who look on and do nothing." --Albert Einstein     |
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02-07-2008, 02:49 PM
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| Army....maybe we need Obama in there to get everybody on the bandwagon to get rid of the lobbyists, then when he gets rid of them that would pave the way for Huckabee to come in and repeal the 16th amendment and start the fair tax program.
__________________ Politicians are like diapers, they both need changed occasionally for the same reason. Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" The hard work of one will do more than the prayer of millions. |
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02-07-2008, 03:12 PM
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It's not going to change overnight though. The bad thing is that if a democrat is elected our country is going to go down a bad, bad road that will be hard to come back from. Once you start "giving out something for free" (healthcare) it's hard to take it back. I am putting a young man from Canada in the Army. Over lunch today he told me his dad's tax rate was 46%. A pack of cigs is like 12 bucks and a 6 pack of beer is like 13 bucks. It's all taxes to help pay for the social health system that so many Americans think would be the greatest thing in the world.
__________________ LIBERALISM The haunting fear someone, somewhere can help themselves. " I think he (Obama) can be ready, but right now I don't think he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.." Senator Biden |
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02-09-2008, 12:05 PM
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02-10-2008, 11:52 AM
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| Man I love politics and am loving this debate when it stays above board. I personally don't like that implication that because I am for Obama that means I have just somehow been bamboozled by his wit and charm and haven't actually dove into his political stance. I have very much so and not just on his personal website. I'm all for someone to show me things that will change my mind but since I didn't make a quick choice over a youtube video (that was SOOOO not directed at you Sherry. I've actually had someone tell me that) it is unlikely that it will happen. I think what we need to remember in debates like this is that most people who want to chime in and talk politics have done their homework. I respect that. I respect your choice of candidate whether or not I respect your actual candidate or not because I assume you aren't just choosing someone willy-nilly and I appreciate the same respect. Oprah didn't choose my candidate for me. I'm smart enough to do that myself. It just seems that in general when someone finds out I am an Obama supporter they immediately assume I must have been charmed and couldn't possibly know what I am really doing. This ends my rant that is only loosely based on the subject at hand. Carry on. |
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02-10-2008, 01:26 PM
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| Obama is a very motivating speaker. He's rather young (and some would say inexperience whether that's good or bad), has a great presence on stage and gets people really fired up! I wish the Republicans had someone with that charisma. Short of that the idea that he will raise my taxes and push for "comprehensive immigration reform" (aka AMNESTY) just really kind of turns me off. That and the fact that he is one of the most LIBERAL people in congress. (according to the votes he DID cast)
__________________ LIBERALISM The haunting fear someone, somewhere can help themselves. " I think he (Obama) can be ready, but right now I don't think he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.." Senator Biden |
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02-10-2008, 02:41 PM
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| It still looks like Hillary. She’s ahead in delegate count and ahead in the polls. Obama wins states and Hillary wins delegates. Thank the party for coming up with the system. I don’t think either one can win enough delegates at this point to lock the nomination. Howard Dean already said they will not fight it out at the convention and there will be a deal cut before then. Democrats(2,025 needed to win nomination) Candidates number of delegates Hillary Clinton 1095 Barack Obama 1070 John Edwards 26 Total 2191 Republicans(1,191 needed to win nomination) Candidates number of delegates John McCain 719 Mitt Romney 298 Mike Huckabee 234 Ron Paul 14 Total 1265 Democratic Presidential Nomination RCP Average: Clinton +3.1% Hillary Clinton 45.0% Barack Obama 41.9% Republican Presidential Nomination RCP Average: McCain +25.0% John McCain 46.7% Mitt Romney 21.7% Mike Huckabee 20.6%
__________________  ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Three groups spend other people's money: children, thieves, and politicians. All three need supervision. —DICK ARMEY Click here to view Democrat’s comments on Iraq and WMD’s |
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02-10-2008, 02:54 PM
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| Depends on where you look for info, I guess... Barack Obama 943 Hillary Clinton 895 John Edwards 26 source - National overview - 2008 Primary Results - MSNBC.com Clinton 1123 Obama 1120 source- RealClearPolitics - 2008 Elections - Democratic Delegate Count Point is, I think it will be awhile before there is a clear winner. Obama won all three states yesterday by a pretty fair margin. Washington, Louisiana and Nebraska. He also won in the U.S. Virgin Islands. He is also leading in states won count, Obama 18 states Clinton 10 states. ps- Hillary's campaign manager resigned or was fired today, not sure which....
__________________ Politicians are like diapers, they both need changed occasionally for the same reason. Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" The hard work of one will do more than the prayer of millions. |
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02-10-2008, 09:08 PM
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| Found another source from a drudge report link tonight that shows Obama in the lead. Quote:
__________________ Politicians are like diapers, they both need changed occasionally for the same reason. Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" The hard work of one will do more than the prayer of millions. |
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02-10-2008, 09:19 PM
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__________________ ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Three groups spend other people's money: children, thieves, and politicians. All three need supervision. —DICK ARMEY Click here to view Democrat’s comments on Iraq and WMD’s |
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